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Re: [opensuse-factory] About the Live CDs (PLEASE READ)
  • From: Jos Poortvliet <jos@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:24:06 +0200
  • Message-id: <2180908.nt4PDkpZ4P@linux-6upc>
On Thursday 07 June 2012 07:57:10 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,

The beta has no libreoffice and no gimp on the live cd - mainly
because their dependencies got blocked (ghostscript and jdk).

Now I tried how much space we need to save to be at 700MB and it's
roughly 80MB, that we are over.

So I wonder: should we screw the medium CD and go officially for
1GB sticks as our medium? (or require DVD medium for non-usb).

The alternative is saving these 80MB by picking something to block.
For your convenience, this is the list of the largest packages
on KDE.i586 - sizes will differ for the other variants of course.

-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,4M Apr 23 11:04 ghostscript-fonts-std.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,4M Jun 7 04:54 bootsplash-branding-openSUSE.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,6M Jun 6 15:49 cpp47.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 3,7M Apr 23 10:17 libqt4.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 3,9M Mai 21 09:18 python-base.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 4,1M Jun 7 04:54 wallpaper-branding-openSUSE.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Mai 9 20:31 kdepim4.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Apr 23 10:22 qt4-qtscript.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Apr 23 08:03 libicu49.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,4M Mai 22 15:20 libwebkitgtk-1_0-0.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,6M Apr 23 10:53 libQtWebKit4.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 5,8M Jun 1 06:54 perl.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 5,8M Jun 1 21:25 libreoffice-help-en-US.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,9M Mai 26 12:43 glibc-locale.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 6,3M Feb 18 13:36 yast2-theme-openSUSE.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,3M Mai 10 15:31 kdebase4-runtime.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,5M Mai 22 11:58 gimp.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,6M Apr 23 09:54 k3b.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 6,7M Mai 31 17:07 libkde4.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,9M Mai 29 10:07 cups.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 7,1M Apr 23 08:50 mysql-community-server.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 7,4M Jun 2 02:36 libreoffice-calc.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 8,3M Mai 10 16:51 kdebase4-workspace.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 9,1M Apr 23 08:51 xorg-x11-fonts-core.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 9,7M Mai 9 17:08 oxygen-icon-theme.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 11M Apr 23 10:17 libqt4-x11.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 12M Jun 1 20:41 kernel-firmware.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 14M Mai 22 11:11 ghostscript.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 15M Jun 6 16:45 MozillaFirefox.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 18M Mai 31 16:19 amarok.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 38M Jun 1 10:23 kernel-default.rpm
-rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 74M Jun 2 02:36 libreoffice.rpm

There are some packages you can't pick and there are packages that will
free more space than there value due to their dependency list.

But as you can see, libreoffice and it's subpackages (plus their
dependencies) is worth ~20% of the live cd space. So realistically,
we have two choices: live CD without libreoffice or live USB with
libreoffice. *Or* we find a way to reduce the size of packages
by splitting things out that are optional and don't need to be on
the live cd (I can hear you say documentation :)

Greetings, Stephan

Let's try to answer this question: who needs a LiveCD?

And I mean: who has NO alternative and would have to use another Linux if we
would move to 1GB images?

The answer:
Someone who owns a computer capable of running GNOME or KDE (+512 MB
ram, +2GB for comfort, decent CPU, HD, 3D video etc) *without* USB ports and
a CD reader capable of also reading DVD's AND no internet at home.

Anyone else would able to make due with a 1GB image - either put it on a
DVD, use http://plop.at with an USB stick, use the stick directly or use the
net install.

???

I honestly think we're trying to cater to a group of people which doesn't
exist...

What I am saying is that IF you have a computer with no USB ports and no DVD
capability, I bet you'd be way better off with a LXDE or XFCE liveCD!

So I would suggest we move to 1GB live images. We make sure the USB image
also works from DVD and point people to plop.at in case they can't boot from
USB without a CD. Last but not least, for those really older computers, we
offer a LXDE or XFCE liveCD. Then we cater for everyone.
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