Hi, The beta has no libreoffice and no gimp on the live cd - mainly because their dependencies got blocked (ghostscript and jdk). Now I tried how much space we need to save to be at 700MB and it's roughly 80MB, that we are over. So I wonder: should we screw the medium CD and go officially for 1GB sticks as our medium? (or require DVD medium for non-usb). The alternative is saving these 80MB by picking something to block. For your convenience, this is the list of the largest packages on KDE.i586 - sizes will differ for the other variants of course. -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,4M Apr 23 11:04 ghostscript-fonts-std.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,4M Jun 7 04:54 bootsplash-branding-openSUSE.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 3,6M Jun 6 15:49 cpp47.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 3,7M Apr 23 10:17 libqt4.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 3,9M Mai 21 09:18 python-base.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 4,1M Jun 7 04:54 wallpaper-branding-openSUSE.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Mai 9 20:31 kdepim4.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Apr 23 10:22 qt4-qtscript.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 4,7M Apr 23 08:03 libicu49.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,4M Mai 22 15:20 libwebkitgtk-1_0-0.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,6M Apr 23 10:53 libQtWebKit4.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 5,8M Jun 1 06:54 perl.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 5,8M Jun 1 21:25 libreoffice-help-en-US.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 5,9M Mai 26 12:43 glibc-locale.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 6,3M Feb 18 13:36 yast2-theme-openSUSE.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,3M Mai 10 15:31 kdebase4-runtime.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,5M Mai 22 11:58 gimp.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,6M Apr 23 09:54 k3b.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 6,7M Mai 31 17:07 libkde4.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 6,9M Mai 29 10:07 cups.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 7,1M Apr 23 08:50 mysql-community-server.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 7,4M Jun 2 02:36 libreoffice-calc.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 8,3M Mai 10 16:51 kdebase4-workspace.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 9,1M Apr 23 08:51 xorg-x11-fonts-core.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 9,7M Mai 9 17:08 oxygen-icon-theme.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 11M Apr 23 10:17 libqt4-x11.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 12M Jun 1 20:41 kernel-firmware.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 399 399 14M Mai 22 11:11 ghostscript.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 15M Jun 6 16:45 MozillaFirefox.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 18M Mai 31 16:19 amarok.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 38M Jun 1 10:23 kernel-default.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 107 109 74M Jun 2 02:36 libreoffice.rpm There are some packages you can't pick and there are packages that will free more space than there value due to their dependency list. But as you can see, libreoffice and it's subpackages (plus their dependencies) is worth ~20% of the live cd space. So realistically, we have two choices: live CD without libreoffice or live USB with libreoffice. *Or* we find a way to reduce the size of packages by splitting things out that are optional and don't need to be on the live cd (I can hear you say documentation :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org