On 4/6/2012 12:54 PM, Andrew Wafaa wrote:
On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 21:50 +0530, phanisvara das wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 21:45:27 +0530, Brian K. White
wrote: On 4/6/2012 10:19 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/04/06 15:19 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:
Even bank sites use flash for forms and data!
If my bank required Flash, it wouldn't be my bank any more, and I'd let it know why in no uncertain terms, without using the word "Linux".
What if it was the only local credit union you qualified to access? What if you hate Bank of America and Chase etc more than you hate Flash?
The choice to use a credit union vs any bank, even a small local one (which just ends up getting bought by a bigger nastier one some day) is vastly more important to your life than whether that small credit union's small IT staff inconveniently used flash on it's web site, even if they used it in some way that you have to care about instead of just a banner.
Silly discussion. Practically every restaurant web site not only uses flash but is almost 100% flash. They are restaurant. Not IT companies. They don't even know they have a problem, they are busy being good at pasta not good at web sites, and that's _entirely_ the way I'd like it, much as a better web site would be nice for me, I care more that they are good chefs.
So, when I hit google to find some place to go tonight, I want their site to work so I can at least see their address and hours and phone number. If I had the attitude that the use of flash on their web site mattered _at all_ then I'd miss out on their excellent food and atmosphere and lake side view and other patrons etc etc etc...
There are other restaurants, but choosing a restaurant by the quality of their web site is stupid.
Same for the auto mechanic. Same for the picture framer. Same for everything.
It's really quite stupid to let a thing like that get in the way of your real life.
+1
technology is supposed to help with life, not replace or direct it.
-- phani.
People,
Please stay focused on the topic at hand. Drifting into insults and other non-topic related items is pointless and just creates nothing but noise.
The topic here is whether to continue shipping the official Adobe flash plugin or not. If people feel discussions need to be continued, stay on topic giving valid reasons without getting righteous or similar. There is a *ZERO* tolerance policy for abuse, it doesn't matter who started it - just STOP IT, NOW!
If you are a flash hater, good for you. Many other people don't mind it, some like it, others just get on with it as it is needed to continue their day. Leave the philosophical and holier than thou rants at the door, they have no place here. This list is about the future direction of openSUSE's distribution and is generally of a more technical nature, so please keep this in mind and stick to it.
The openSUSE Board have had way too many complaints from both members and non-members about the signal to noise ratio being unacceptable on several mailing lists, and as such we will be taking stronger action against perpetrators of improper actions. Also it is every person's duty to ensure that our peers stay on track and keep the mailing lists clear of nonsense.
On behalf of the openSUSE Board,
Andy
In what way did _your_ post stay on topic? You only talked about other talkers and not about the question of continuing to include flash or not at all. You post was the most "noise" to me. Yet the post you replied to was _all_ about reasons why it's counter productive to consider removing Flash at this time because of the reality that too many of the resources on internet require it. How else can you decide that perfectly "technical" item affecting "the future direction of openSUSE's distribution" ? These _are_ the pro's & cons that need to be pointed out in order to justify either keeping it or dropping it. Frankly Graham's points are perfectly valid as far as they go. So if there are counter points, of course they must be illustrated in order to decide correctly which way to go. Now back to the topic in a more "technical nature" , I would also point out that there are other options besides keep Adobe Flash or drop Adobe Flash. Investing work in improving gnash or other flash implementations is also an option to provide some level of web site coverage without necessarily being dependent on Adobe's actions. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org