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Re: [opensuse-factory] EOL feature
  • From: Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 01:59:56 +0100
  • Message-id: <BANLkTi=-2UHxs1k6rzEQ4nRsKpNbiqMjbg@mail.gmail.com>
On 2011-05-27 22:06, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
The mirrors are still out there. I don't understand why we need to
break people's package managers after a certain time.

Sure its EOL, sure it's not suggested to use, etc, etc. But why do we
need to break people's package managers?

The package managers aren't broken... what seems to be broken is users
failing to understand that the product is EOL and those repositories
are supressed. Let's be realistic with a quick example... look
carefully at the repositories which you pasted... they are either
mirrors or private repositories... repositories that the user added...
Now, the package manager is broken if the repositories aren't there?

I'm sorry but I have some trouble understanding...


But going further... Lets see things as they are... Keeping a
repository alive over the life cycle costs resources (maybe needed by
other projects which probably would deliever more value to the
distribution), they cost man power to maintain (are you jumping
forward to maintain them or just nagging about the fact they might be
gone?).... Maintaining those repo's does involves heavy costs... lets
be honest... for how many users? So far you failed to say if those
reports are from 2 or 2.000.000 users....

Well if we're talking about 2.000.000 users, then we should probably
look deeper into it... if we're talking about two users or less than
1% of the users.... the answer is simple, upgrade!



Now for a change, what could be pretty much done easilly was the
following to cover the communication problems and make sure users see
the EOL message:

1. Add a EOL message to the YaST installer, make it very visible
stating when that product terminates.
2. One month before the EOL add a small package which will force that
any sessioned login on a console will print out: "This product life
cycle finishes on $DATE. PLEASE UPGRADE!"
3. Add into the main page of openSUSE the following:
+ openSUSE 11.2 is no longer supported:
+ with 1 trillion downloads;
+ with 1 trillion bugs fixed;
+ with 1 trillion happy users which are now running openSUSE 11.4!
+ openSUSE 11.1 is no longer supported:
+ bla bla bla
+ bla bla bla


And that's pretty much it... But just to continue being an a$$, please
quantify the real number of users which have putted up such issue, so
that we can see what is really happening... so far they can 2 or
2.000.000... being a bit more precise would help.


Yet another unusefull contribution.



The package managers are already broken. The packagekit applet is
complaining here about every 15 minutes that it could not connect to a
software source.

I had to do:

 mv /usr/sbin/packagekitd /usr/sbin/packagekitd.noquiero

to stop that nonsense.


Look how many repos fail for me:


 Telcontar:~ # zypper refresh
 Repository 'NVIDIA Repository' is up to date.
 Download (curl) error for
'http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/11.2/repodata/repomd.xml':
 Error code: User abort
 Error message: connect() timed out!

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'Packman Repository':
 Download (curl) error for
'http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/11.2/repodata/repomd.xml':
 Error code: User abort
 Error message: connect() timed out!

 Skipping repository 'Packman Repository' because of the above error.
 Repository 'Google Talk Plugin' is up to date.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/plater/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: home: Dave Plater':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/plater/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: home: Dave Plater' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/database/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: Database':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/database/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: Database' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3a/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: KDE: KDE3':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3a/KDE3/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: KDE: KDE3' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3a/UpdatedApps/openSUSE_11.2'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: KDE: UpdatedApps':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE%3a/UpdatedApps/openSUSE_11.2'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: KDE: UpdatedApps' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3a/Tools/openSUSE_11.2'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: oS: tools':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE%3a/Tools/openSUSE_11.2'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: oS: tools' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org%3a/STABLE/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: OpenOffice.org':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org%3a/STABLE/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: OpenOffice.org' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/11.2:/Contrib/standard'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: Contrib/standard':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/11.2:/Contrib/standard'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: Contrib/standard' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: games':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/games/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: games' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hamradio/openSUSE_11.2'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: hamradio':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/hamradio/openSUSE_11.2'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: hamradio' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/openSUSE_11.2'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: multimedia: audio: KMP':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/openSUSE_11.2'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: multimedia: audio: KMP' because of the above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/openSUSE_11.2_Update/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: multimedia: audio: KMP (update)':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/openSUSE_11.2_Update/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: multimedia: audio: KMP (update)' because of the
above error.
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/science/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: science':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/science/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: science' because of the above error.
 Retrieving repository 'OBS: server: mail' metadata [done]
 Building repository 'OBS: server: mail' cache [done]
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/webcam/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Abort, retry, ignore? [a/r/i/?] (a): i
 Error retrieving metadata for 'OBS: Drivers for webcams':
 File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium
'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/webcam/openSUSE_11.2/'

 Skipping repository 'OBS: Drivers for webcams' because of the above error.
 Repository 'openSUSE-11.2-Source' is up to date.
 Repository 'libdvdcss repository' is up to date.
 Repository 'openSUSE-11.2-Non-Oss' is up to date.
 Repository 'openSUSE-11.2-Oss' is up to date.
 Repository 'openSUSE-11.2-Update' is up to date.
 Some of the repositories have not been refreshed because of an error.
 Telcontar:~ #




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Cheers / Saludos,

               Carlos E. R.
               (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar)
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