On 2009/08/07 15:03 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:
Am Freitag 07 August 2009 schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2009/08/07 10:22 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:
sax2 is on its decline, but right now I wouldn't dare to drop it from an install as people having problems with X (not just complete broken X, but a nuance) will look for it. For 11.3 I agree, it's the first thing to be removed from the install.
For me that will be a sad day. Interactive sax2 is like son of yast, something that makes SUSE SUSE and stand above other distros. I hope if this actually happens that sax2 remains as a symlink to whatever purports to replace it.
sax2 is basically an editor for xorg.conf - problem is: Xorg doesn't want an xorg.conf anymore, but do everything dynamic in desktop tools. So there is no "symlink" to do.
Well maybe instead of a symlink something that displays some kind of help for those expecting to use it. I could understand sax2 removal if xorg.conf-free would actually work, but based upon the development of recent iterations of Xorg and reading the fedora-devel and freedesktop xorg lists for more than the past year, I am highly skeptical that it will actually work reliably for everyone before 11.3 is released. Examples that come to mind: 1-broken or missing EDID/DDC (xorg.conf workarounds: PreferredMode, DisplaySize) 2-simultaneous multiple display configuration 3-native display mode is not a VESA mode (e.g. 1440x900) and the x11failsafe 1024x768 (or worse) fallback is inexplicably using a 75 VertRefresh for a display that supports only 60, putting the display into sleep mode 4-user wants to globally fudge DPI and/or DisplaySize to suit taste 5-display orientation (can any display tell X when it is being used rotated 90 degrees?) 6-user wants to prevent dynamics (lock everything down regardless) I simply don't expect anything to work better than sax2 for edge cases so soon, and so I think it premature to say "first thing to be removed from the install" for 11.3. Better to say it will be removed when proven _completely_ obsolete and that that state is hoped to be reached for release X.X. -- How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver. Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org