Despite the fact that some apps, which are 'third party', but well integrated in all-day use, are not working allright 'yet', is no, and may *not* ever be a reason to 'Dump' the 64bit os.
Martin was suggesting that SOME users WITHOUT specific need of 64 bit os would encounter a lot less difficulties with the 32 bit version, and he's absolutely right.
In 10.3 Flash 9 works OK, PDF Reader works OK, and since last week, Ice-tea. 11.0 has issues because of qt versions?
No. Flash 9 doesn't work well (bug in bugzilla) and acroread doesn't work well (bug in bugzilla). Both bugs were reported in my first email.
changing towards the future very fast, and: we notice the negative side-effects from the M$/Novell deal, many people that were important for development went another way..
What has the deal to do with a practical discussion to find a practical solution is out of my comprehension.
So we have to live with that.
No. We want to live with that. It's a choice.
Al of this together: No reason to dump 64Bit OS.
Noone wants to dump the OS. It's just a temporary and working solution, waiting for things are ready.
Wait and see, the performance of a fi 64x2 CPU is magnificent. Would we throw away all the work that has been done to be able to manifacture the cpu's and the software, for a few plugins?
Those "few plugins" are necessary to 95% of the users. That performance probably to half of the rest. And suse should target, at least namely, the first part.
I don't think so.. Wait and see, they are going to be ready when realy needed.
Why should we believe to that? SuSE last three releases were, with some exception for 10.3, disappointing (read reviews, I'm not the only one to think that). Tell me why should I believe that 11 will be ready, well tested, with everything in place.
Just think that we walk a very big step ahead of the masses, we create, and they will follow....and we do not ever quit, until the job is done..
From my point of view, we need a reality check. The "masses", as you call them, are using other distributions (read ubuntu), and they're not all idiots. They look for simplicity, they found it there. openSUSE sometimes looks too much for perfection, and instead of finding it, it messes things up.
If, users are turned away from M$ fi, they will learn very quickly, and they will be glad they did... And why wouldn't they use what the system installs? When one chooses the hardware, one chooses the os... At least with linux there is a choice, *and* there is progress! Offcourse they complain, and if we show them the way to the '3th-parties', they will complain there. The more complains, the better the chance, something gets done about it.
About Adobe Acrobat we all know that the issues are not only Linux, but M$ as well, 7 did not work at all. A beta version was shipped to the public. Many problems with companies dependable on PDF, but that also got solved.
It's not a question of comparing Windows and Linux. I think we should do OUR part, and MS will do its part to make users life easier. But the question is, are we doing our part? Some choices tell me we aren't.
There is only one solution: Find, Report and *Kill* the bugs, one by one.. ;)
Please, read the bug about the plugin wrapper, for example. It's not so easy to fix it seems, and it requires time also according to N, and it's recognised it doesn't work properly with flash and acroread. Regards, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org