On Thursday 09 March 2006 09:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 14:39:38, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:36:34PM +0100, Burkhard Carstens wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 9. März 2006 14:02 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 12:31:08, Burkhard Carstens wrote:
Ahm, zmd.exe? ZenUpdater.exe? You are kidding, right?
Wow. We must do a really good job if everything you have to complain about are file suffixes ;-)
not sure .. currently, yast software installation is broken (again) because libblocxx.so.4 is gone ..
Hehe there you go. I knew it! We are not perfect. Damn! ;-)
However, once, Borland decided to drop Kylix and went the .net way. That was the point, where I stopped buying Borland products. Now suse is going the .net way and guess what? I won't buy any suse product anymore ..
Why would you do that? I understand you dont like .net. What makes you say that "suse is going the .net way"? Because one functionality of a gazillion functionalities in SUSE products is implemented in C#/mono?
Yes. Its not just one way either, I could see this becoming a trend. I'm not a fan of mono or .net, and not because of an NIH mentality. I don't like it for many reasons, but one of them is the lack of a qt-sharp (yes there *was* development on this outside the project, but it has been dropped). There are many other reasons listed further down, but I don't like gnome/gtk, and I would prefer to stay as far away from it as possible. If this move is the beginning of a trend, in combination with the evolution/mono/gnome on the corp desktop general migration to a more gnome & .net focused distro, I will put slack or arch or some such on my systems in a heartbeat.
I for instance dont like java. Do i use OpenOffice? Sure i do. I dont like c++, do i use kopete? Yes i do. I dont like perl. Do i use ripit? I do.
I don't use openoffice because of java. I use KOffice, and avoid openoffice like the plague. Its a fairly bad setup code-wise, and I don't like how sun forces all submissions to be licensed to sun. As such, I have little, if any, interest in OO.o. I like C++ & perl, so cant disagree with their usage :)
Like Azerion also stated, "exe is related to windows/virus in my mind" and, even worse, it's related to mici-schrott, so ..
You must have better reasons to not like something. Otherwise its a rather dull statement that you hate microsoft. I like that from a emotional perspective. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We against them. Youre my brother in arms. We will overthrow the big evil.
But from a rational point of view its a poor argument to base technical decisions on.
Not really. having an 'exe' goes against the very nature of linux, where any file can be executable, regardless of extension - it merely needs to be set as such. I find, in a similar way, the use of a .exe extension as the beginnings of a migration towards a more microsoft-style linux distro. If I wanted that, I'd use linspire. Note that I do not use linspire. Anywhere.
Anyway, what's the point in using .net software? I must admit, that I don't know much about it, because when it popped up, it was called "microsoft.net" which convinced me that it couldn't be good ..
The points are layed out at mono-project.com. Do you have to agree with them? No! Do you have to like them? No! Do you have to support them? No! Do you have to accept that its there and that other people agree, like, support mono? Yes, im sorry, you have to. Its their choice :)
Accept it? Sure. However, its kind of offensive to me to be using .net, for patent issues, among being an MS controlled environment. For example, what would happen if MS decides to go after mono? What if later .Net implementations break usage on non-MS OS's? Anything you can code for .net can be done in C++. C++ is a portable, standardized, and known format - .net can change without anyone's consent. We need to stop copying complete garbage from MS, and do original items that are better. I'm getting sick of this "it worked for them, lets do the same!" mentality. Linux isn't thriving because it copies functionality, it thrives because of innovative *new* ideas. So ffs, we need to stop copying MS just because MS did it.
The SL 10.1 distribution will use rpm-md+ repositories I have just heard, so smart (?) yum (?) will work fine too for updating 10.1. (This is not finalized yet.)
Rudi will say something about it once he finds the time...
Henne
Joseph M. Gaffney aka CuCullin, and having a very bad day.