Well, I'm on £14k and work for Bucks County Council. I'm only 19, so I'm treating it as a great job for someone of my age. Yes, it's true, it is often a thankless job and everything always has to be done *now*, but it can be very rewarding (the advantage of the educational sector), and yes, there are perks (like a 128k connection all to your self after the kids go...)... As for MCSE's, I see why people ask for them, but just because you haven't taken the exam yet doesn't mean you're not capable. was extremely disappointed when MS withdrew support for the NT4 MCSE, as that is what I've supported for nearly three years now. However, they've re-introduced it. Also, by taking these exams, you get to add in the bits you miss, for example, I've never used RAS or Exchange, but they are extremely useful skills to have. I would like to take the CCNA, and I'm currently fiddling with an 802 router that I've managed to get hold of. I'm also taking a BSc and a DipIT with the Open University. It's all about knowledge really. There is so much to learn in this profession, that at some point it's easier to start specialising. I haven't done that yet, but I already know which areas interest me, and which interest me less (notice I said less, and not don't. I love this profession....)... Sorry for the ramble, but I thought I'd chip in... Robb Bloomfield