Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-buildservice (266 mails)

[Martin Mohring <martin.mohring@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John Kelly wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:18:20 +0100, Adrian Schröter <adrian@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>   
> > On Freitag 28 November 2008 17:06:29 John Kelly wrote:
> >     
> > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:17:12 +0100, Adrian Schröter <adrian@xxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >       
> > > > Just to clarify, I am happy about any constructive suggesstion how to
> > > > speed up the process. But we have by intention a batch job system and
> > > > not a life interactive system in this regard to be handle the load at all.
> > > >         
> > > Your most fundamental problem is having 3000+ opensuse distro packages
> > > all in one big repo.  SUSE needs a minimal build system which can host
> > > and bootstrap itself.
> > >       
> > Actually, it is way more. Since we have at least one source link to each 
> > package, also this one is affected and needs to recalculated.
> >
> > In addition to this also repos depending on other repos.
> >
> > So, the scheduler is not really interessted in which project a package 
> > lives. 
> > It always calculates the dependency graph for the entire universe (all 
> > package 
> > in all projects in all repos for all architectures).
> >
> > Now you can say that this is a silly setup. But it is also the power of the 
> > service that you can always see if it does still work with the current 
> > version. This gives a lot functionality which helps us to test and develop 
> > stuff and to improve our quality.
> >
> >     
> > > Base:build is a start, but without meta packages like rpmlint-mini and
> > > friends, it can't bootstrap itself within the OBS.  And those packages
> > > add many dependencies on .*-tk and xorg-.*
> > >       
> > It does not really matter if the packages are in one project or multiple. 
> > The 
> > scheduler knows all of them and needs to calculate the dependencies also 
> > across the projects. (due to source links or depending repositories).
> >     
>
> Schedule the universe if you want to.  But SUSE still needs a minimal
> self hosting repo that other people can use.  Many of us don't want to
> see the whole universe!
>   
If "self hosting" and "minimal" is the issue here, than you always have
the option to install a local buildservice on your machines. OBS is even
opensource, so feel free to improve the "slow algorithms" and the "buggy
code", that results in a "borked" service. We are heavily looking for
developers and testers in this area.

Otherwise, if it is a service that is commonly used, it has to serve
many needs. So individual needs may not be 100% satisfied.

Martin

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