From the news it seemed that OBS admins decided to make working and tested day or week snapshots of all officialy supported bleeding edge Factory packages. And it looked so. How could it be otherwise if all Tumbleweed repoes on on all of OBS are built against something called Factory/snapshot with disabled auto-building while there is Factory/standard constantly doing something ? Well, apparently it damn is. I've been getting errors about my configured Tumbleweed repositories not having necessary dependencies for some packages built against those same repositories which was... strange to say the least. And today I figured out why: all the repoes on OBS are built against this "snapshots" repo while all the "Tumbleweed" users are fed with "standard" repo while "snapshot", against which everything is built, is inaccesible. So if you would try to use any repo beside bleeding edge Factory YOU SYSTEM CAN BE BROKEN AT ANY TIME because nothing
http://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954697 Bug ID: 954697 Summary: Tumbleweed / rolling release is a one big lie Classification: openSUSE Product: openSUSE Tumbleweed Version: 2015* Hardware: All OS: Linux Status: NEW Severity: Critical Priority: P5 - None Component: Maintenance Assignee: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com Reporter: virtuousfox@gmail.com QA Contact: qa-bugs@suse.de Found By: --- Blocker: --- I'm one of naive fools who've heard the "news" about openSUSE team changing its development model to build a binary rolling distribution which I recently decided try out. Since for about one and a half years I've been trying to make a universal (live & installable), capable of every but the most specific usage case out-of-the-box, anti-censorship multi-linguistic desktop build of openSUSE (https://github.com/v-fox/live_opensuse_hsf) the idea of not fiddling around with legacy base packages was really alluring. prevents API difference between "snapshot" and "standard" ! Futhermore, I stumbled on this discussion piece: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/Instructions-for-Tumbleweed-amp-Factory-Use... Which confirmes that there is no such thing as Tumbleweed rolling release distro, it's just a fancy, schmuck-charming name for Factory, now even more broken. So, for the benefit of openSUSE users craving for actual binary rolling distro I propose: 1) For the people who came up with this: smack yourself with a harddrive if you're sane or go to psychiatrist if not. 2) For the openSUSE infrastructure admins: get you shit together and 2-1) Make one, write up exact rules about how it operates or stop lying to the world. If you'll choose neither, at least tell the truth that system would be even more breakage-prone in case of adding _any_ repoes than a simple release (at least API doesn't suddenly change at any moment on those and all packages are accessible). 2-2) Either make "snapshot" accessible to users or build all "Factory" packages against what is accessible to users. But the latter still will result in breakage since repoes may publish their updates before Factory does. 2-3) Rename all "Tumbleweed" and "Factory" repoes in official projects (all non-"home" ones) to one or another accordingly to the choice from 2-2. 2-4) If you would bother to make a rolling release from snapshots, make sure that nothing is unbuilt in those snapshots before updating them. PS: For the record: I use strict repo priority ordering and a tens of repoes so the missing (and working) packages would be coming from somewhere in OBS instead of counting on a good will and clear judgement of Factory maintainers who don't provide access to all the bleeding edge OBS packages or maintain and stabilise the subset they "allow" to Factory/"Tumbleweed" users. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.