On Fri, Aug 06, 2010 at 05:46:58PM +0200, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
With so much noise in the project mailing list, I will be surprised if any of the kernel folks were even following the threads, instead of mark-all-as-read. I will also be eager to know what their opinion is.
First of all, interesting, bloody interesting read. And I understand the labs ppl very well - will discuss this with them in 2 weeks when I hope to be at their offices...
Labs people are not colocated - that's why they have this conference. In case you mean the office in Prague, yes, there are a number of labs people there - but not all of them. Most of the labs is spread all over the world.
Indeed for someone working at a company like Novell for a while it may feel strange to discuss things with collegues in public: - Should one really openly 'flame' fellow Novell employees (AJ, Michael, coolo, the Boosters, ...) or decisions made by them? - What things can a Novell employee say in public? How much are the things one says influenced by internal knowledge that's not ment for public digestion?
I have this myself - I don't know where I stand being both a Novell employee and a community member. Something I want to discuss with ppl in person a bit anyway so I'll take it up with them too.
Finally people speak up - and I'm sure others will go again: "oh, no, this should have been an internal discussion".
This to a large part summarizes the discussion I had with AJ. A perfect recipe how to overcome the disconnect none of us could come up with at the call.
The strategy part I can, I think, explain to them. I've been trying to get more strategic thinking within the KDE community for ages, it's finally working a bit (more due to aseigo than me, btw) and I have strong opinions on the matter. And I'm of course right ;-) (gosh I sometimes wish I was arrogant enough to actually say (and mean) that without a smiley)
As much as I know aseigo he's actually able to drive a strategy - thru his own contributions :) This is exactly in line with what I wrote earlier.
Will discuss this more at the nurnberg offices and try to blog about that again at some point in the near future.
Maybe one step would be to bring the SUSE Labs conference and the openSUSE conference together, an idea that has been tossed around for quite a while already.
+1000
Probably the majority of talks held on the labs conference were suitable and of interest for the openSUSE project. With colocation the openSUSE conference would get a number of good technical talks practically for free. It's a good way to show the community in which areas we contribute to upstream development and a good way of attracting more highly technical people.
Ties within Novell itself, within the community and between the two should be improved in general. Having face to face meetings is one of the most (if not THE most) effective ways to do it. And I'll walk the talk here, as far as I can - as soon as I think I should start being useful in this community and have some confidence when it comes to knowing what is going on I will try to organize more face-to-face meetings. Or rather, help ppl organize them for me of course ;-)
Indeed.
The change in structure of the Labs conference especially that would be required seemed to have been the major obstacle that kept it from happening so far. Now since there is about a year before the next Labs conference there should be sufficient time to make this happen.
Cheers, Egbert.
Now go drink beer, it's weekend.
In case of French ppl, drink wine.
And in case you don't drink alcohol, either start now or skip a night's sleep, you'll feel about as hazy as when being drunk.
Actually I do - but not tonight, still some bug waiting... Cheers, Egbert. -- Egbert Eich (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH openSUSE Booster / X Window System Development Tel: +49 911-740 53 0 http://www.suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-boosters+help@opensuse.org