Re: [heroes] openfate --> create says "There are currently no products open for new features."

Hello, I'm happy to see you are interested in openFATE ;-) Am Dienstag, 17. April 2018, 12:14:40 CEST schrieb Joachim Wagner:

As to the subject, please note https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1079816 (copied below)

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Joachim Wagner 2018-02-07 11:54:06 UTC

Currently, it is not possible to create new feature requests on . The system answers "There are currently no products open for new features." in a red box after clicking "Create". I am logged in.

That's somewhat expected - SUSE plans to shut down FATE (openFATE is "just" a web client for it), so it makes sense not to accept new feature requests there. Note that I don't know _when_ it will be shut down. (IIRC I heard something like "after the SLE/Leap 15 release", but I'm not 100% sure, and nobody told me how many days after the release ;-) This also means that bugs in openFATE (like the missing/broken mail notifications) won't be fixed anymore by SUSE.

Comment 1 Joachim Wagner 2018-04-17 10:09:07 UTC

There was a brief discussion on https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/ 529817-openFATE-won-t-let-users-submit-new-tickets

* Knurpht says openFATE has never been used by Leap nor for Tw.

* Malcolm suggested to EOL it. Knurpht agreed and sent e-mail to heroes@o.o

Note that the claim "It has been like that for a couple of years now." is wrong. 11 months ago, I created https://features.opensuse.org/321000 successfully.

Indeed, I also opened a feature request 9 months ago, so "a couple of years" is clearly wrong. Also, openFATE has the "openSUSE Distribution" and "openSUSE Factory" products, which IMHO indicate that it was/is used for openSUSE ;-) (see the search page for the full [public] product list, which starts at SUSE Linux 9.0) Also note that there's some publicly visible activity in openFATE for existing feature requests.

Before taking openFATE offline, I think there needs to be an e-mail shot to all requesters and people who registered their interests to show the community that we value their feedback and ideas and to give requesters and interested people a chance to move their requests to where they belong now (the e-mail and the opensuse wiki should explain this) and/or start implementing features.

At least 3 months notice should be given. In the meantime, the error message should be updated. I just updated https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Openfate

I'd send that mail about the planned shutdown to the opensuse-factory and maybe also opensuse-project mailinglist instead of sending it to individuals. Besides that, I completely agree. When SUSE drops FATE, it doesn't make much sense for openSUSE to keep openFATE - but we have to announce its shutdown early enough so that people can grab the best ideas and implement them ;-) or at least move them to another place. Oh, in case you missed it - openFATE was already shut down (without any warning or announcement) some weeks ago based on a request from a SUSE employee [1]. It took me several mails and some weeks to bring it back, and even if it is only back for a pre-announced shutdown, it was worth every byte I sent ;-) Oh, and to answer the question how to do feature requests in the future: Of course, the perfect solution is to implement them and send a submit request to integrate them in the distribution ;-) but I'm aware that not everybody can do this for various reasons. The next option is to propose an idea on the mailinglists [2] to search for people who like the idea and can/want/help to implement it. Oh, and there's still bugzilla with severity "enhancement" ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] no need for public blaming or mentioning a name - that person probably already hates me enough *eg* [2] - opensuse-factory is a good place for improving Tumbleweed and Leap (including all the software we ship) - if there's a topic-specific list (for example yast-devel), use it (still, also consider opensuse-factory to get more visibility) - opensuse-project is a good place for things that do not affect the distribution -- FRAGEBÖGEN! An die "Bedarfsträger"! DAS ist die Evaluierung! Sie fragen den Wolf, ob die Schafe schmackhaft waren, und ob sie auch nicht mehr gefressen haben als sie Hunger hatten! [Fefe in http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b33b483f] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: heroes+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: heroes+owner@opensuse.org