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Re: slowroll will not install correctly from either network iso or DVD image

by Bernhard M. Wiedemann

On 19/09/2023 02.59, Larry Len Rainey wrote: > I have tried everything to get slowroll to work - tumbleweed migrate, > leap 15.5 migrate - none work as zypper dup does not update to a working > slowroll it will install tumbleweed and fail to zypper dup to slowroll. > I have created 24 different vms that have not worked a zypper dup to a > valid result. > > Slowroll will update to the 6.4.24 kernel and get deleted because the > install image put 6.5.3 kernel and the reboot deletes the 6.4.24. > > Can someone make a valid slowroll install iso and not install tumbleweed > but a true slowroll? > > I would take a slowroll virtualbox vm that works. I have no idea how to > set virtualbox to work with slowroll - it seems to get recreated with > every Tumbleweed kernel but seems to be backward compatible. We don't have dedicated media for Slowroll atm, so the easiest way is an offline (no network so it does not use repos with newer files) install with https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/ALP:/Experimental:/Slo… and then replace repos as described in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slowroll btw: Slowroll has the 6.4.12 kernel. https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:ALP:Experimental:Slow… Ciao Bernhard M.

7 months, 2 weeks

Re: slowroll will not install correctly from either network iso or DVD image

by Wayne Patton

Hi Larry, I just followed the process in Bernard's below and it worked fine. I have a VM running slowroll now. I used the openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_64-Snapshot20230822-Media.iso he references below then replaced the repos and zypper dup. Wayne On Tue, 2023-09-19 at 07:22 -0500, Larry Len Rainey wrote: The DVD iso installs the 6.5.3 kernel. The Network ISO does the same. Makes it impossible to do updates and you are stuck with a broken Tumbleweed. I even went as far as to install a 3 year old Tumbleweed ISO with a 5.X kernel but it was so old that zypper could do a dup with the current slowroll repos - said all were invalid format. I think an ISO with a 6.4 kernel might be the only way. I will disable the network in VirtualBox and download and try again the DVD iso. Larry On 9/19/23 06:59, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote: On 19/09/2023 02.59, Larry Len Rainey wrote: I have tried everything to get slowroll to work - tumbleweed migrate, leap 15.5 migrate - none work as zypper dup does not update to a working slowroll it will install tumbleweed and fail to zypper dup to slowroll. I have created 24 different vms that have not worked a zypper dup to a valid result. Slowroll will update to the 6.4.24 kernel and get deleted because the install image put 6.5.3 kernel and the reboot deletes the 6.4.24. Can someone make a valid slowroll install iso and not install tumbleweed but a true slowroll? I would take a slowroll virtualbox vm that works. I have no idea how to set virtualbox to work with slowroll - it seems to get recreated with every Tumbleweed kernel but seems to be backward compatible. We don't have dedicated media for Slowroll atm, so the easiest way is an offline (no network so it does not use repos with newer files) install with https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/ALP:/Experimental:/Slo… and then replace repos as described in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slowroll btw: Slowroll has the 6.4.12 kernel. https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:ALP:Experimental:Slow… Ciao Bernhard M.

7 months, 2 weeks

Re: New Slowroll base snapshot 20240429 released!

by Steffen Winterfeldt

On Tue, 7 May 2024, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > On 06.05.2024 23:08, Bernhard M. Wiedemann via openSUSE Factory wrote: >> >> We are slowly getting closer to where I want Slowroll to be. >> > > Any chance to produce Slowroll images with integrated Slowroll repositories? > My understanding is that currently images in > https://download.opensuse.org/slowroll/ are just copies of Tumbleweed images? For the moment, you can 'convert' the isos to use the Slowroll repo: mksusecd --create slowroll.iso \ --net http://download.opensuse.org/slowroll/repo/oss \ openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-x86_64-Snapshot20240429-Media.iso Steffen

1 hour, 1 minute

Re: Testers Wanted: longterm kernel

by Nikolai Nikolaevskii

Kernel:/slowroll:/Backport is for Leap 15.5? https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/slowroll:/Backport/stand… It is better to call LTS kernel as LTS, not as Slowroll: https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/slowroll/ as https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/LTS/ And https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/slowroll:/ as https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/LTS:/

3 months

Re: Just figured out that the slowroll I installed pointed to tumbleweed repos and not slowroll repo. It still is broken.

by Patrick Shanahan

* Larry Len Rainey <llrainey15(a)gmail.com> [09-17-23 09:33]: > I wonder how many using slowroll really are using tumbleweed repos. > > After downloading slowroll iso on sept 14 from here https://en.opensuse.org/ > openSUSE:Slowroll > > I was comparing my tumbleweed and slowroll and discovered that they are the > same? How could that be? The repos that installed pointed to tumbleweed!!!!!!! > > I get the same errors as when I tried to update my tumbleweed to slowroll. ... much removed ... a rather simple "slowroll" could mount to restricting your "dup"s to once a month or every other month and just continue using tumbleweed. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc

7 months, 3 weeks

Re: New Slowroll base snapshot 20240429 released!

by Andrei Borzenkov

On 06.05.2024 23:08, Bernhard M. Wiedemann via openSUSE Factory wrote: > > We are slowly getting closer to where I want Slowroll to be. > Any chance to produce Slowroll images with integrated Slowroll repositories? My understanding is that currently images in https://download.opensuse.org/slowroll/ are just copies of Tumbleweed images?

1 day, 12 hours

Re: New Slowroll base snapshot 20240429 released!

by Bernhard M. Wiedemann

On 07/05/2024 05.55, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > On 06.05.2024 23:08, Bernhard M. Wiedemann via openSUSE Factory wrote: >> >> We are slowly getting closer to where I want Slowroll to be. >> > > Any chance to produce Slowroll images with integrated Slowroll > repositories? My understanding is that currently images in > https://download.opensuse.org/slowroll/ are just copies of Tumbleweed > images? installation DVDs are still hard, because those are built by product-builder that does not work with the snapshotted repo, because it is pulled back into OBS via download-on-demand. Maybe I could create NET isos. Meanwhile, there are images for VMs and cloud at https://download.opensuse.org/update/slowroll/images/?P=*qcow2 These are built with a modern kiwi. But still have some issues (outdated kernel-obs-build version, cloud-init blocks local root login by default) Ciao Bernhard M.

1 day, 8 hours

Re: Leap Replacement - Results from recent contributor survey

by Richard Brown

On Sat, 2023-09-02 at 10:43 +0200, Michal Suchánek wrote: > Hello, > > why do you think that Slowroll would require more packaging effort > than > Leap? > > Just as Leap derives from SLE, Slowroll derives from Tumbleweed. > > I could even argue that Slowroll would require less effort when all > packages come from Tumbleweed while Leap is built on top of SLE and > has > a large number of packages of its own. Because, unlike Leap where maintenance for SLE packages is effectively 'automatic' (ie. taken care as part of the daily business of SLE), and unlike Tumbleweed where it's also effectively 'automatic' ('just throw a new version at it), Slowroll will likely require old-fashioned maintenance (CVE bumps, backports, narrow-fixes) for packages in Slowroll but not-yet-ready to be copied from Tumbleweed I suppose we COULD just take the approach of having Slowroll carrying 'known issues' until the impacted packages pull from Tumbleweed But I think that's not exactly an ethical way of distributing software - if that's the route we go down, we'd need to make it very clear that Tumbleweed would be the objectively more secure, better maintained offering of the Project. And if that becomes the case, then what would the point of Slowroll be? So yeah, if we're going to do Slowroll, we need to maintain is well, which would mean rapid response for narrow fixes when bugs/CVE's/security issues arise but we can't trust the packages from Tumbleweed yet to resolve them. And I recognise that's an extra challenge to find contributors willing to do that work given, under a model like Slowroll, we absolutely will be throwing away that work and replacing it with packages from Tumbleweed within a designated time. -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich

8 months

Re: slowroll will not install correctly from either network iso or DVD image

by Joe Salmeri

Hi Larry, I was just getting ready to reply to you saying the same thing Wayne wrote. I believe the "key" point is that you MUST disable the network connection when doing the initial installation from the DVD, otherwise, it is pointed to the TW repos and therefore during the update it would update to the latest TW version. Then when you changed the repos to SlowRow, it would be pointing to a version which is older than the version you updated to during the installation. The DVD iso is not installing the 6.5.3 kernel, it is getting updated because during the initial install you have the online repos enabled and it updates you to the kernel that is in those online TW repos. That's why you have to turn the network off to do the initial install. By turning off the network in the VM, doing the initial install ( which now cannot be upgraded to the latest TW because there is no network ), rebooting, changing the repos as detailed below, enabling the network and finally doing the zypper dup ( which will now come from the SlowRoll repos ) everything works. Hope that helps! Joe On 9/19/23 11:07, Wayne Patton via openSUSE Factory wrote: > Hi Larry, > > I just followed the process in Bernard's below and it worked fine. I > have a VM running slowroll now. I used the > openSUSE-Tumbleweed-DVD-x86_64-Snapshot20230822-Media.iso he > references below then replaced the repos and zypper dup. > > Wayne > > On Tue, 2023-09-19 at 07:22 -0500, Larry Len Rainey wrote: >> >> The DVD iso installs the 6.5.3 kernel. The Network ISO does the same. >> Makes it impossible to do updates and you are stuck with a broken >> Tumbleweed. >> >> I even went as far as to install a 3 year old Tumbleweed ISO with a >> 5.X kernel but it was so old that zypper could do a dup with the >> current slowroll repos - said all were invalid format. I think an ISO >> with a 6.4 kernel might be the only way. >> >> I will disable the network in VirtualBox and download and try again >> the DVD iso. >> >> Larry >> >> On 9/19/23 06:59, Bernhard M. Wiedemann wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 19/09/2023 02.59, Larry Len Rainey wrote: >>> >>>> I have tried everything to get slowroll to work - tumbleweed >>>> migrate, leap 15.5 migrate - none work as zypper dup does not >>>> update to a working slowroll it will install tumbleweed and fail to >>>> zypper dup to slowroll. I have created 24 different vms that have >>>> not worked a zypper dup to a valid result. >>>> >>>> Slowroll will update to the 6.4.24 kernel and get deleted because >>>> the install image put 6.5.3 kernel and the reboot deletes the 6.4.24. >>>> >>>> Can someone make a valid slowroll install iso and not install >>>> tumbleweed but a true slowroll? >>>> >>>> I would take a slowroll virtualbox vm that works. I have no idea >>>> how to set virtualbox to work with slowroll - it seems to get >>>> recreated with every Tumbleweed kernel but seems to be backward >>>> compatible. >>> >>> >>> We don't have dedicated media for Slowroll atm, so the easiest way >>> is an offline (no network so it does not use repos with newer files) >>> install with >>> >>> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/ALP:/Experimental:/Slo… >>> >>> >>> and then replace repos as described in >>> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slowroll >>> >>> btw: Slowroll has the 6.4.12 kernel. >>> https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/openSUSE:ALP:Experimental:Slow… >>> >>> >>> >>> Ciao >>> Bernhard M. > -- Regards, Joe

7 months, 2 weeks

Re: Slowroll RFE support and multimedia codecs

by Shawn W Dunn

On 2/9/24 05:41, Terje J. Hanssen wrote: > Hello list, > > I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic. > > Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have > somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and > enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly > mailing list and forum. > > So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding > ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 > https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259 > For new Bugzilla targets, you should be sending a message to bugzilla-admins(a)suse.com And asking for Slowroll to be setup as a Product, under the openSUSE Umbrella. > To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as > a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. > That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories > for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and > All from Packman. > As far as things not needing to rely on devel: repositories like multimedia:/libs, that is for the Developers of Slowroll to decide how they want to handle it, and not something that is decided by somebody else. Packman issues don't belong here, as Packman is not part of the openSUSE project, in any way, shape, or form. It's a third-party service, provided by an unaffiliated group, if you wish to see some sort of Slowroll buildtarget on packman, you would need to contact the Packman administrators at https://lists.link2linux.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/packman > And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST > https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories en.opensuse.org is a wiki, and can be edited by anybody, feel free. > https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php > https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/ > Neither of these sites are part of the openSUSE project, if you have issues with the content they are providing, you should be contacting the administrators of those sites, through whatever mechanism they provide. > > Rgds > Terje J. Hanssen I mean, I'm just going to state this. The -Factory Mailing list isn't the place to make these sorts of requests. I know it's a common misconception, but there is no "In Charge Of" in openSUSE, like there is with Fedora, with FESCo and the SIG's (Just as an example) The developers working on Slowroll are the ones that make the decisions on how they wish to handle it, And I haven't the foggiest if they regularly follow the -Factory ML, or where they may discuss their development roadmaps or models. Packman

2 months, 3 weeks

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