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Re: VOTE ON SLOWROLL NAME

by Jim Henderson

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 21:12:58 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > No, I will not explain it to you, you are being obtuse. Leap people > understood. That is nonsense, Carlos, and you know it. I ran Leap for years, and I understand exactly what you're saying. If you ran Tumbleweed, you'd understand that you *don't* typically run a 'zypper dup' daily, typically, and that there's never a requirement to update your system except when YOU want to. To say otherwise is to be obtuse (as you put it). If you want to avoid updates, just go back to openSUSE 13.2 and be done with it. You never have to deal with updates ever again. Heck Leap 15.3 gives you that "option" now as well. -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits

1 year, 4 months

Re: VOTE ON SLOWROLL NAME

by Lew Wolfgang

On 9/25/23 18:17, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> There are thousands of changes per week on TW. > read: not if you do not "dup". and it hurts nothing by not duping. you > are able to dup when*you* choose to. and to reboot when you see fit. > you are not driven by the availability of newer packages. it is a choice. > there can be millions of changes but they do not affect you unless you > make that choice. there is a newer model of the car I drive but I have > not purchased it and may never, but it exists. But some organizations require frequent updates for security reasons. Indeed, weekly updates may be required and confirmed with Nessus scans. Leap has been remarkably good at this. I tried Tumbleweed some years ago in this environment, but it didn't work. To be fair I guess it deserves another try. Regards, Lew

1 year, 4 months

Re: slowroll

by Malcolm

On Wed 13 Sep 2023 09:40:12 PM CDT, Larry Len Rainey wrote: >I gave up trying to update an old tumbleweed - it would not work - so >I downloaded the ISO and installed it. > >Most things worked perfectly but > >in /etc/ssh - there was no /etc/ssh/ssh_confg and no >/etc/ssh/sshd_config for me to change so I copied them from my >tunbleweed vm. > Hi Larry That all moved to /usr/etc/ssh, as the admin you create your configs in /etc/ssh/[ssh_config.d,sshd_config.d].... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20230912 | GNOME Shell 44.4 | 6.5.2-1-default HP Z440 | Xeon E5-2695 V4 X36 @ 2.10GHz | Quadro T400/Tesla P4 up 14:45, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.11, 0.16

1 year, 5 months

Re: vote on Slowroll name

by Martin Wilck

On Wed, 2023-09-20 at 21:05 +0200, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote: > Op woensdag 20 september 2023 20:35:48 CEST schreef Eric > Schwarzenbach: > > > > I hope this survey is just a first round to weed down the unweildy > > list > > presented there, and there will be a future round or rounds with a > > smaller > > list, and ideally, ranked-choice voting. > > > > Cheers, > > Eric > Doesn't "Interval" cover all that ? "Interval" sounds kind of boring to me. Sounds like math lessons or music theory. I've obviously missed the first round of suggestions, but I would suggest a name for which slow (rolling) motion has positive associations, like "steamroller" or "caterpillar". Martin

1 year, 4 months

openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 13.12.2023

by Lubos Kocman

All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting The meeting is hosted here https://meet-test.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting ^ PLEASE USE THAT URL WHILE MEET-O-O IS DOWN ## Attendees Sarah, lkocman, guillaumeg, DimStar, Marcus, anag, ddemaio ## Leap On vacation since Dec 15th. New 15.6 build in openqa Build568.1 landed yesterday. Looks okay so far SCC enablement to unblock SLES migration testing https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1217966 RN entries done for already dropped python (no-longer-in-factory) packages. "ports" < 15.3 users migration from older releases. We'll be adding reference to our wiki section into RN https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:System_upgrade#Note_about_ports_(non_intel_arch… Discussion about openSUSE Dolomite / Marble on extended SLE Micro call tomorrow https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-20231122-pm-discussion pagure is back online https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features but faces SSO login issues, therefore no new features. Container refresh request in Leap 15.5/15.6, this would fix our currently suboptimal experience with distrobox https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1217306 We've refreshed container toolchain refresh jira https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/144 logo refresh - the new Leap logo seems to be the modernized Leap design from LPC (very close to Leap Micro logo) ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (ana) openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 57 failed 4 unresolvable (last week 53 failed, 1 unresolvable) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz Most relevant updates from this last week: * Linux Kernel 6.6.6 and other fixes (from 6.6.3) * KDE Release gear 23.08.4 and Plasma 5.27.10 * Mozilla Firefox 120.0.1 * libreoffice 7.6.4.1 Updates waiting / work in progress in staging: (almost same than past week) * libxml 2.12.1 (lots of work to do) * dbus-broker as default dbus session manager * RPM 4.19 (work on going, %patch with unnumbered patches is not supported from this version on) * Update to openssl 3.2.0 * kalpa branding * ruby 3.3 * cmake version update (breaking libzypp) ## Richard (Aeon) Not available Still working on "aeon-installer" which is basically a fork of GNOME OS Install/EndlessOS Installer Basic premise is to be a graphical equivalent of the "SelfInstaller", with support for our systemd-boot style images which struggle in the kiwi SelfInstaller Will run from a custom 'installer ISO' that has no direct relation to Aeon. That installer ISO will need to have the actual Aeon image embedded inside it for use by "aeon-installer" Very limited/no customisation - Just finds a disk, installs to that disk, no partitioning, no mess, no fuss Got my forked codebase building, and partially loading an image - tweaks to the image are needed and WIP Once it works on my machine I will need to go through the codebase and remove/replace all user-visible references to GNOME OS/EndlessOS and then submit to Factory ## Bernhard (Slowroll) Not available Moved to a new repository. We don't have signing keys for kernel atm. DimStar: We need Adrian for this ^. DimStar/Adrian: we have to think this through a bit. Continues to roll Slowly, sometimes has dependency problems -> need install-check *soon version bump but OBS issues Adrian: (Could you please add your concern here Adrian?) source-based Slowroll needs extra build power causes extra downloads for users switching between Tumbleweed <=> Slowroll Bernhard: three open issues in OBS bugtracker osc rdiff + osc getbinaries + building DVD with product-builder does not work with TWsnapshot+dod approach = https://github.com/openSUSE/slowroll/issues/1 https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/issues/14994 osc branch -r release counter reset https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/issues/15079 causes spurious "downgrades" missing build-compare causes extra publishes https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/issues/15108 ## Max Leap 15.6 - build stats in Backports: 33(was 17) faild, 12 unresolvable(was 7) * Merged a large amount of python package drop requests, some more upcoming drop requests is planned afaik * Received several updates for switch python package to python3.11 build in Backports * After temporary whitelist openQA build-deps(perl packages) we had newer openQA available in Leap 15.6 * There is a lot of boot_encrypt test fail on the last snapshot because now it will not being asked the LUKS passphrase if it's passed through via grub2, it was in Factory been a while, qa team is work on this to adopt the change on the SLE15/Leap15 test lkocman: We should priorize openqa issue for this one. Max: https://github.com/os-autoinst/os-autoinst-distri-opensuse/pull/18270 ## Guillaume - Arm * Tumbleweed: - Rolling - Some packages are still built without PAC/BTI, two main reasons: * assembler files without PAC/BTI (usually reported upstream, e.g. openssl, gnutls, etc) * Packages built without distro flags (usually fixed in spec file) - rpmlint: * openSUSE:Factory:ARM now part of https://rpmlint.opensuse.org/ * we noticed that rpmlint does not check anymore for packages built without distro %{optflags}. We should add it back. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1217840 - WIP to get Tumbleweed to run on Lenovo X13s: * Latest status available at https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:ThinkpadX13s * Leap 15.6/Backports SP6: - No update ## Sarah - s390x * openQA for s390x is working again -> 1 Tumbleweed release 16 days ago Tumbleweed: * too less amount of build workers continuously * problems to build so fast as Tumbleweed releases good news: * LinuxONE will receive additional CPUs provided by IBM ## Doug * Logo contest complete * 10,813 votes * Results posted at https://en.opensuse.org/Logocontest * Winners of contest contacted for gift - lkocman: we will eventually have to refresh wallpapers with new logo too. I can cover the Leap one. existing Tumbleweed would be more tricky. * Community meeting * Meeting provides a pathway forward with a two-step process for logo contest * ddemaio will send out email shortly * TSP * One payment pending * One new request * CLT Sponsorship PO recieved Static * oSC24 dates June 27 to 29 reserved (Thursday - Saturday) * FOSDEM Bus Connect ddemaio(a)opensuse.org if you're in the Nuremberg area * AI topics (static) ## Dirk Not available Further work on python 3.12 enablement preps for Factory, submitted about ~ 35 updates Working on python 3.6 removal in SP6 Package Hub ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling No topics for today task for lkocman: The problem statement (SLES/SLED expectations) Draft to be composed here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/packagehub-problem-statement ## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u)) HEADS UP! Leap 15.4 EOL on Dec 31st 2023 Updated lkocman: will look into openSUSE-welcome to announce when a release is almost/is EOL lkocman: no update, I've looked into the package (I was surprised to see that it's in c++), but no progress so far. It would be nice to have this done this week, prior xmass break and have update released. Confirmed that maintenance setup for Leap 15.6 will be with Public Beta (~February 2024) Max: php81, SLES 15 SP6 seem to have already php82. Marcus: Let's not add php81 into 15.6 since php82 is out. No issues. Internal request to add php8.1 to Package HUB. Regarding AMD issue, kernel update is scheduled for a second Tuesday of the month. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1215802 ## Adrian - OBS Not available ## Simon (Leap Replacement/Linarite) Not available ## Open Floor

1 year, 2 months

Re: vote on slowroll name

by Michael Hamilton

On Tuesday 26 September 2023, Fritz Hudnut wrote: > Joe: > > Thanks for the interest, the recent problem was from now about two weeks back, where regular zyppering of TW produced a delayed log in to populate the GUI. I'm in TW today, problem persists where it's 3 or 4 minutes to get from log in window to GUI, and then intermittent function on getting "suspend" window to open to suspend the machine. Described in painful detail on the help forum: https://forums.opensuse.org/t/log-in-and-suspend-slowness-issues-in-the-sys… > I recently saw a large slowdown reaching login from boot, but on initial read of of post 169049, it doesn't seem like the same cause. In my case it was due to waiting for network manager, described here: https://forums.opensuse.org/t/networkmanager-seems-to-fail-at-boot/168560/18 (I just disabled the wait - which is safe for my usecase.) Michael

1 year, 4 months

Re: VOTE ON SLOWROLL NAME

by Jim Henderson

On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 13:05:10 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote: > The updates exist. KDE also exists, but I haven't installed it because I DON'T WANT TO. If you want something similar to Leap, and it's not available, then you will either need to look for another distro that gives you what you want, or you will have to decide to take on maintaining what you want. I ran into a problem with GNOME 45 on Tumbleweed (I opened a bug on it), but because of that breaking issue for me, I reverted and haven't updated. Yep, there are 469 updates queued right now, and I'm blocked from applying them because the update to GNOME 45 renders my system unusable. So, I have chosen to not update. The idea that updates exist = bad is just ridiculous. -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits

1 year, 4 months

Re: Slowroll repo move ; upcoming version bump

by Bernhard M. Wiedemann

On 20/11/2023 18.33, Fritz Hudnut wrote: > @Bernhard: > > Does this mean we have to run the "rm old repos" and then zypper in the latest repos in Slo Roll? Or, if we have the repos set to Slo Roll from a couple weeks back that running the standard zypper dup will pull in the appropriate Slo packages to maintain the system in good order?? > > I'm in TW right now, so I can't just check the list to see what changed. I'm hoping that Slo Roll is "good to go" as it was set from a few weeks back?? You need to update baseurl= lines in 4 repos in /etc/zypp/repos.d : base-oss base-src-oss base-non-oss update or zypper removerepo those and re-add with the lines from the wiki.

1 year, 2 months

Re: Leap 16??? Why am I finding this out on Fosstodon??

by Charlie Chan

From the announcement, in case I misread it Leap 16 will be ALP based, so yes, Leap 16 is just Leap in name only but technically it will be apart from its predecessor ________________________________ From: Sy retia via openSUSE Factory <factory(a)lists.opensuse.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 9:58:21 AM To: factory(a)lists.opensuse.org <factory(a)lists.opensuse.org> Subject: Re: Leap 16??? Why am I finding this out on Fosstodon?? What happened to slowroll? Can someone just spell this out in a way that is crystal clear please? This entire thing has been extremely confusing, and everyone just wants to know what is ACTUALLY happening to Leap. Is it going to be just like ALP? Is it going to continue to be what it is now? The communication on this entire thing has been far too little; all of the people I know who use Leap are just in a state of wondering what to do next.

1 year, 1 month

Re: FYI: Slowroll - unresolvable

by Markus Koßmann

Am 22.12.24 um 06:01 schrieb munix9 via openSUSE Factory: > I just didn't know where else to post this. > Let me know if there's another place for it. > > nothing provides cmake(Qt6Core) = 6.8.0 needed by > qt6-positioning-devel, (got version 6.8.1 provided by qt6-core-devel), > nothing provides cmake(Qt6Qml) = 6.8.0 needed by qt6-webchannel-devel, > (got version 6.8.1 provided by qt6-qml-devel), nothing provides > libQt6Gui.so.6(Qt_6.8.0_PRIVATE_API)(64bit) needed by > libQt6WebEngineCore6, nothing provides > libQt6Quick.so.6(Qt_6.8.0_PRIVATE_API)(64bit) needed by > libQt6WebEngineCore6, nothing provides > libQt6Widgets.so.6(Qt_6.8.0_PRIVATE_API)(64bit) needed by > libQt6WebEngineWidgets6 > > Regards Seems that the mirror, you are using is currently being upgraded from qt-6.8.0 packages to qt-6.8.1 packages . I would try again later.

1 month, 3 weeks

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