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Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin

by Benji Weber

On 19/09/2007, Andreas Vetter <vetter(a)physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote: > > I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and > > you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and > > the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should > > clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those > > users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require the sun plugin. The other problem with installing 32bit firefox for java is that it also requires 32bit java. Java applets may be used less frequently now but there are many java applications, and many people do java development. _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin

by Martin Schlander

Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > the sun plugin. People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin

by Benji Weber

On 19/09/2007, Martin Schlander <suse(a)linuxin.dk> wrote: > Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > > the sun plugin. > > People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: > > 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java The default is fine, or just use /usr/bin/java. > 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed java 1.6, x86_64 > 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ [warning, addictive] http://benjiweber.co.uk/konq-falling-sand.png _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin

by Andreas Vetter

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Benji Weber wrote: > On 19/09/2007, Andreas Vetter <vetter(a)physik.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote: > > > I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and > > > you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and > > > the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should > > > clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those > > > users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > the sun plugin. Well this does not run all applets. Some applets only produce a "applet failed" error, while others work. > The other problem with installing 32bit firefox for java is that it > also requires 32bit java. Java applets may be used less frequently now > but there are many java applications, and many people do java > development. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Firewall not consistent..

by jdd

Carlos E. R. wrote: > A cracker can make his PC look like one of yours and connect, instantly. that is a cracker can guess your wep key (don't ask me how :-(), at the moment lurking the net gives him the mac adresse of the various hosts. at the moment one of these hosts stops, he can use the mac to get an ip, he can also share the IP (but it's probably marginally more difficult) the problem is: why should a cracker do this on your network? If this was one of a big company or if your work is highly important, may be. may be also an evil neigbor I beg some sort of malfunction is more likely to happen... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Firewall not consistent..

by M9.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jdd schreef: > M9. wrote: > >> If one would reach the house, he would stumble and fall, because there >> is no light, and it is full of rocks and trees. > > seems lovely :-)) It is indeed, it is an old farmhouse, about 350 years old.. > > and you get adsl there? your are lucky :-) Yep the telephone transformer is only 6km from the house, and the last piece there are only 3 people on the line ;-) Yeah, it is pretty cool living here... Nobody can shut me off whatever function if i did not pay the bill in time ;-) (gas, water, electra) > jdd > > - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 "release 58" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7p9QX5/X5X6LpDgRAkF+AKCpKjzAkjdHpoG9Tb4XAbvZysUSUwCeP+aI S9n6scgMdsVUuM7YPfvAcec= =DRDJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 10.3 Beta 3+ KDE-Live on Samsung P35

by Christian Trippe

Hello! I have tested the KDE-Live-CD on a Samsung P35 and found some issues (which I did not find reported jet). Most of them are really hardware specific, so I do not know, if I should fill bug-reports. The boot-loader wants to boot with a resolution of 1024x768. So I changed to the native resolution of 1400x1050. After boot entering sax2, it tells me that my monitor has 17.1 inches and a 5/4 ratio, where it has 15 inches and a 4/3 ratio. I have a Radeon mobility 9700 (RV350 NP) . I can activate 3D acceleration in sax2 with the radeon-driver. But in sysinfo in always says no 3D acceleration, whereas glxgears always works! This Notebook has no entry in the 2ram whitelist. I did not manage to suspend with the options from http://de.opensuse.org/S2ram (I did not try all). But under 10.2 it works very well with the radeon-driver, radeonfb and vga=normal video=vesa:off and only -f. Best regards, Christian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Firewall not consistent..

by Carlos E. R.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-17 at 17:03 +0200, jdd wrote: > > Carlos E. R. wrote: > > > A cracker can make his PC look like one of yours and connect, instantly. > > that is a cracker can guess your wep key (don't ask me how :-(), at the moment > lurking the net gives him the mac adresse of the various hosts. Yes, but he didn't say if he is using wep. My point is, that basing security only in giving IPs to known machines, using the hardware address, is not secure. Added to other methods, yes. And wep... I was told of an ISP technician that installed all routers in his area withe keys of the "012345678901234567890xx" type, the last to digits being related to the customer. The customers were happy because they had a long key that was easy to remember. The crackers were even happier. > the problem is: why should a cracker do this on your network? If this was one > of a big company or if your work is highly important, may be. > > may be also an evil neigbor Or one without ISP, and just wanting to send his emails free. I have a friend in that case. Somebody told me that once he tested his neighbors wifi network, and got in easily. He then captured the traffic, and managed to learn his bank login and password - shame on the bank for sending that in clear -. He even tested it by entering the bank account, and exited. Obviously, that neighbor was using windows. He said that, had he being malign, he would have connected to the bank from a second neighbor network, and sent the money to a third one: there would be no way to track him, and the police would blame the second neighbor. Anyway, M9 doesn't have neighbors, so he probably doesn't those problems :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG7tzZtTMYHG2NR9URAs4DAJ4gF0cIRTCbnoxZkCzem71IxlJY4wCeP5Gh dRrUP1UmwJ9VGoRC4WvqRTs= =Uyxg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Firewall not consistent..

by Carlos E. R.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-17 at 17:12 +0200, M9. wrote: > > A cracker can make his PC look like one of yours and connect, instantly. > > Well, as a matter of fact, in my case, this is not as simple as you > suggest.. > I live in the middle of nowhere.. ... Sounds a beautiful place :-) > Thnx for your concern ;-) Welcome :-) You know that there are handheld gadgets that you carry in your pocket when you have a walk and beep or buzz when they detect a wifi. I have been told of people doing it in their cars, putting a special aerial with a magnet on the car roof. They can use a portable computer running a certain windows program that detects the networks it finds, and writes all that in a report. Plus, if connected to a GPS and a map software, it plots the findings in the map, with colors showing how "kind" are the neighbors. The person that told me this said that they were thinking on doing this for their final project on university, and had a round of the industrial park here with that setup. The findings were very /interesting/, but refrained from making them public. But I had seen a similar report published in an article by the IEEE, it wasn't news to me. Not your case, but people should be way more cautious with their wifis. On another message I wrote a sample of what damage can get done to such trusting users. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG7t+mtTMYHG2NR9URAk0BAJ40Nk9dMzjKhG9ea8M0MDTdguPHlQCfXcS1 Dy7nSga27VPxZDxhsOPVGcw= =hw3y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin

by Andreas Vetter

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Saturday 15 September 2007 12:32:48 skrev Benji Weber: > > Francis pointed out to me that classpath-webplugin is installed by > > default on 10.3. This is > > > > a) rather pointless as I don't think it actually supports any applets > > ( I tried a dozen or so sites with java applets ) > > b) somewhat dangerous as I don't think I'd trust the security in the > > classpath webplugin. > > c) prevents the real sun java plugin from working when installed, > > until the user removes the classpath webplugin as this gets priority > > in both firefox and konqueror. > > > > Can I suggest > > > > - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. > > - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're > > worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more > > reliable than classpath. > > I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit > firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I > figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought > classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, > but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere - > but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. > > I support Benji's proposed resolutions. IMO it is a mistake to release a 64 bit firefox without a really (!) working java. Releasing a 32 bit firefox was much better in the older distros. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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