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openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 06.03.2024

by Lubos Kocman

!!! HEADS UP WE ARE BACK USING JITSI !!! https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting How to join the meeting? https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse_release_enginee… All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting ## Attendees ana, Sarah,GuillaumeG, lkocman, Adrian, ddemaio, mlin, Marcus ## Leap Leap 15.6 Beta build Build626.1 landed in openQA 25 minutes ago https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/overview?distri=opensuse&version=15.6&bui… I'm really happy that Max and Peter Simons were able to get haskell fixes in. We're using older haskell packages that were already dropped from Factory. Results of the last build looked well. openSUSE Leap 15.6 Beta marketing availability + related Bug day will be streamed live on Thursday 21:00 CET as part of our regular Thursday meeting. There will be a news-o-o article released shortly before that 19:00 UTC. ^ Sharing is caring! Sharing plan with factory / project - https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… How to connect - https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/marketing/events/thursday_weekly_meeting Bug day page WIP - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bug_Day openSUSE Booth at Installlfest 2024 is happening next weekend https://installfest.cz/if24/ https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Organising_a_booth openSUSE Leap future strategy discussion with Rick Spencer next week in Prague. ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (ana) openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 139 failed 33 unresolvable (last week 170 failed, 26 unresolvable) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz => Around ~80 are python packages that are still failing to build with Python 3.12 Most relevant updates: * Linux Kernel Longterm 6.6.19 * Linux Kernel 6.7.7 * kernel-firmware 20240229 * ca-certificates-mozilla 2.66 * transactional-update 4.6.0 ( support for systemd soft-reboot) * shadow 4.14.6 * exiv2 0.28.2 * expat 2.6.1 * ImageMagick 7.1.1.29 * All Python 3.x version with fix for CVE-2023-6597 Updates waiting / work still in progress: * GCC 14: second phase ongoing, use gcc14 as the default compiler (Staging:Gcc7) * RPM 4.19.1.1 + 4.20 * RPM 4.19.1.1 (user/group dependencies), Packages not included in rings getting updates, still some more to go, see https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… * Preparations for RPM 4.20, %patchN won't be supported anymore, see https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… * Python 3.12+removal of 3.9 modules: Not all modules fixed to build with Python 3.12, removal of python 3.9 modules blocked by build failures. Considering pushing it soon. Python3.9 interpreter would stay for some time more. * KDE Frameworks and Plasma 6 + KDE Gear 24.02.0 released last week, advancing well thanks to reactivity of KDE+Qt team * libreoffice 24.2.1.2, need openQA test update https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/156628 * go1.22 as default go version, blocked on i586 with packages which export CGO_ENABLED=0 and go build -buildmode pie https://github.com/golang/go/issues/64875 * systemd 255.3 ( SR#1152118), rpmlist withelist done, blocked now because it fails to build * update openSUSE-build-key (new suse container key!) SR#1150669 - blocked until key is replaced * libxml 2.12.1, on hold, no progress * dbus-broker as default dbus session manager, now everything builds, two openQA checks failing. ## Richard (Aeon+botmaster) Not available ## Max Leap 15.6 - build stats in Backports: 79 faild, 24 unresolvable * PUblished Build623.2 * Bumped the version to Beta, Build626.1 can be the first public Beta * Haskll issue is fixed(almost) except of a few haskell package ## Guillaume - Arm * Tumbleweed: - Rolling - WIP: Still some packages built without PAC/BTI, two main reasons: * assembler files without PAC/BTI (usually reported upstream, e.g. openssl, gnutls, etc) * Packages built without distro flags (usually fixed in spec file) * TW installer issues with PAC/BTI - https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219717 - Unable to reproduce anymore on a different host, while openQA still fails. - rpmlint: https://rpmlint.opensuse.org/ * we noticed that rpmlint does not check anymore for packages built without distro %{optflags}. We should add it back. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1217840 Doug: rpmlint GSOC topic. Neal will be helping to mentor that. https://github.com/openSUSE/mentoring/issues/204 * Leap 15.6/Backports SP6: - CVE for python-onnx but update impossible because of missing deps and some deps requiring newer python. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220313 - Delete Request sent. - (Empty) Arm section added in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Known_bugs_15.6 * WSL: x86_64 is fetched from Microsoft Store GUI for Tumbleweed image instead of arm64. But `wsl --install openSUSE-Tumbleweed --web-download` works just fine! - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219372. Scott Bradnick made the instructions for Windows for Arm into image description for Tumbleweed. I believe we've also updated WSL wiki with the instrucitons. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:WSL ## Sarah - s390x * Second mainframe is up and running -> Many builds are running at the moment (also gcc) and the manframe is not really stable -> waiting for a new Tumbleweed release * gcc bug (2021) reactivated related to memory optimization on the mainframe: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=101523 * related openSUSE Bug (not really informative): https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1188441 GPG keys for s390x, PPCle and RISC-V expired in openSUSE-build-key: https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220993 ## Doug * bugzilla.opensuse.org * Submitted Bug 1220916 * Asked to delete - If you experience any difficulties or find any issues, please, report to SUSE Bugzilla Team (email) * Contribution Workshops * More sign ups at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/openSUSE-Contribution-Workshop * Episode 3 - Bumping "Packaging Guidelines" to a later date and will have a learning "how to report bugs" video * Episode 4 - Language-specific packaging - Rust and Go provided link. Will come in March * Published SD Boot Utils article * Leap 15.6 beta article ready for publication on Thursday at 7 p.m. We should do a little prequel for BugDay/LiveEvent (like a little tweet or similar today). To increase attendance of the event. * GSoC * Sent report to Project Manager * Started seperate workspace on slack for mentees and mentors - https://join.slack.com/t/opensuse-group/shared_invite/zt-2dwsqm6nb-iNJifnVb… * Community Summit * 8 Registrations, 5 Submissions, 2 Hours (pre-announcement) * openSUSE Conference * 48 Registrations, 27 Submissions, 16 Hours (5 Open 4 Business Submissions) ** I won't be available next weeks Static * oSC24 dates June 27 to 29 reserved (Thursday - Saturday) * Open 4 Business June 26 between 2 - 6 p.m. at Franken Campus * AI topics (static) ## Dirk Not available ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling Not available ## Maintenance team (Marcus or Maurizio (m4u)) Struggling with chromium update. Maintainers are not currently able to update it to the current version. No transition method for expired keys. Temporarily disabling the key in libcontainer policy (Marcus please correct me). The goal is to have the least disruptive method for it. Dominique: the new key seems to raise some issues - transition needs to be figured out. Marcus: I did check podman documentation and am looking if we can have temporarily two keys in parallel. Marcus: will we resign all the images on the registry or only new ones? Dominique: for rpm we usually accept both old and new key for about a half a year. lkocman: Leap Micro 6.X update channel setup will have to be done soon (within a few weeks). ## Adrian - OBS Not available lkocman: we need to cleanup accepted / rejected requests in SUSE:SLE-15-SP6:GA in OBS. lkocman doesn't have permissions to do so in OBS. Workaround would be to re-add/reject suse-sle-reviewers review. Lubos will write to autobuild + add Marco to the first line. ## Simon (Leap Replacement/Linarite) Not available ## Bernhard Slowroll * kernel-longterm 6.6.19 from Factory * kernel-default now follows Factory * OBS now has a Slowroll distribution target, so it is easy to add in devel projects * https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE_Slowroll/ gets some activity ## Open Floor When will there be a leap:15.6 container image? We did mention that we'd like to advertise BCI images instead of Leap 15.6 base image. So yes there should ideally be 15SP6 BCI image together with PUBLIC Beta. Marcus: there is one last blocker on the BCI image side for 15 SP6

6 months, 1 week

Re: Package fstrcmp is gone from TW 20231003 - on purpose?

by Manfred Hollstein

On Thu, 05 Oct 2023, 16:27:09 +0200, Manfred Hollstein wrote: > On Thu, 05 Oct 2023, 16:23:04 +0200, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > > On 05.10.2023 17:10, Manfred Hollstein wrote: > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2023, 15:53:26 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday 2023-10-05 14:27, Manfred Hollstein wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2023, 13:59:45 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday 2023-10-05 13:10, Andrei Borzenkov wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it looks like the last Tumbleweed snapshot 20231003 removed package > > > > > > > > fstrcmp, i.e. libfstrcmp0 here; fwiw, openSUSE:Factory also doesn't > > > > > > > > contain it anymore. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This package is still needed by Kodi which now shows one orphaned > > > > > > > > package. Was the removal on purpose? In that case we would have to > > > > > > > > start building it for Tumbleweed on Packman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Descr: fails to build and is unused > > > > > > > > > > > > The buildfailure is easy to fix (already identified to require > > > > > > groff-full), but the deletion crowd went chopping in the woods > > > > > > quicker than anything else. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I stored the deleted files in the devel:libraries:c_c++ project > > > > > and created a new package A_tw-fstrcmp in PMBS/Staging, which only > > > > > builds for Tumbleweed and Slowroll. > > > > > > > > You can just bring it back for openSUSE:Factory. > > > > If you set a maintainer on d:l:c/fstrcmp, you get reasonably-timed > > > > build failure reports and there is less of a chance someone swings > > > > the package axe. > > > > > > I just requested maintainership for d:l:c/fstrcmp. Once I get access > > > rights, I'll resurrect the stuff in PMBS again. > > > > > > > E-h-h ... if you get maintainership, what stops you from submitting it back > > to Factory? Why keep it external? > > You got me wrong. Once I have maintainership, I'll re-create the package > in d:l:c and submit it again to openSUSE:Factory. When that is done, > I'll re-create the situation in PMBS as it was before. Right now, it's > just a stop gap solution so new users will be able to install kodi on TW > at all. FWIW, I have now created SR https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1115896 hoping it'll make its way to openSUSE:Factory :) BTW, thanks to Jan for assigning maintainership to me! Cheers. l8er manfred

11 months, 1 week

Re: Slowroll and amdgpu-pro and alternatives

by Peter McD

Am 30.11.23 um 13:46 schrieb Patrik Jakobsson: > On Thu, 2023-11-30 at 11:00 +0100, Peter McD wrote: >> Am 30.11.23 um 09:24 schrieb Patrik Jakobsson: >>> On Wed, 2023-11-29 at 12:38 +0100, Peter McD wrote: >>>> Am 29.11.23 um 08:15 schrieb Patrik Jakobsson: >>>>> On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 23:44 +0100, Peter McD wrote: >>>>>> Am 28.11.23 um 15:40 schrieb Peter McD: >>>>>>> Am 28.11.23 um 13:25 schrieb Patrik Jakobsson: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 2023-11-28 at 13:14 +0100, Peter McD wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use Leap 15.5 a my main system because of openCL for Darktable >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> simply works faster with the proprietary amdgpu-pro driver. >>>> ...> >>>>>>>> amd-opencl from AOMP should work fine with Tumbleweed. >>>> ... >>>>>> Installed and tested with an updated TW, Darktable 4.4.2 cannot find >>>>>> opencl. >>>>> >>>>> Can you detect the card with clinfo? >>>> >>>> first the suggested link >>>> ln -s /usr/lib64/libOpenCL.so.1 /usr/lib64/libOpenCL.so >>> With this added, darktable opens libOpenCL.so on my machine but still >>> doesn't >>> enable opencl support. Perhaps it requires a certain version? I will try to >>> compare this to a working amdgpu-pro installation. >>> >>> Other opencl applications like Indigo Benchmark works fine for me. >>>> >>>> still opencl not detected by Darktable >>>> lux-tw:~ # clinfo >>>> Number of platforms 0 >>>> ICD loader properties >>>> ICD loader Name OpenCL ICD Loader >>>> ICD loader Vendor OCL Icd free software >>>> ICD loader Version 2.3.1 >>>> ICD loader Profile OpenCL 3.0 >>>> lux-tw:~ # >>> >>> You should be seeing your card here. Which AMD card do you have? >>> >> >> AMD Radeon RX 6600 > > Then your card is supported. I installed OpenCL from AOMP on a freshly installed > tumbleweed machine and clinfo worked out of the box. I saw you got some advise > from Aaron. Please try that. > > I did some comparison between clinfo from an AMDGPU-PRO installation and my AOMP > build and it seems the AOMP build is missing Image support. I believe darktable > requires that as well. I'll try to enable it in the AOMP build. > Thanks. I will next weekend do a new Tumbleweed installation an start again. Peter

9 months, 2 weeks

PublicCloud meeting 30.05.2024

by Lubos Kocman

How to join the meeting? https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/public-cloud-team All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/PublicCloud-meeting Attendees: lkocman, rjschwei, neil hanlon, dominik wombacher (wombelix)., ngompa Topics Artwork: https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/pull/86 Matrix: https://matrix.to/#/#cloud:opensuse.org Where do build openSUSE Public Cloud images: https://build.opensuse.org/project/subprojects/Cloud:Images We'll request Cloud:Images:Factory where we could build any flavors. Leap 15.X Currently handled by SUSE Public Cloud team Leap 16.X If we show that we can handle Tumbleweed, Slowroll, MicroOS (whatever makes sense to build/publish). Then we can have discussion about ownership of Leap 16 with SUSE Public Cloud team. Tumbleweed is not seen as the prefered platform for Clouds. Contributors are more interested in Leap ownership. People mention Fedora as a success story for contribution. Leap Micro in clouds https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Cloud:Images:LeapMicro_6.0 was created 2 days ago, it's basically debranded SL Micro stuff. Robert confirmed that SUSE Public Cloud team is on it. It will be published to usual Cloud Providers (GCP, AWS, Azure). AWS profile for openSUSE that's managed by the SUSE Cloud Team https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=730aa725-c0c9-4d1d-863… Tumbleweed Worth investigation. AWS already has some images (https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=316c4831-85c2-4ec4-b2b…) But it seems they might not be as up2date as we'd like to. Innovators for openSUSE: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/home:cabelo:innovators Alessandro de Oliveira Faria (A.K.A.CABELO) - cabelo(a)opensuse.org ^ we could create similar shared account for AWS, Azure, GCP (lkocman: suggests to focus on Azure Community Gallery) It would be nice to avoid duplication and join efforts. Instead of having two versions of e.g. Leap or Tumbleweed images. Image does not seem to be built in the same space as other cloud images. https://build.opensuse.org/project/subprojects/Cloud:Images Bernhard seem to have rights to create subprojects in Cloud space. Perhaps we could ask him to create one for Tumbleweed. Suggested focus should be at the community gallery in Azure. Microsoft would publish some related article. https://fedoramagazine.org/launch-fedora-40-in-microsoft-azure/ We could also publish something like fedora. Release cadence for TW uploads WSL Engineering team already publishes Tumblweed images https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9mssk2zxxn11?hl=en-us&gl=US QA https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/106452 Website promotion It would be nice to have links to launch image in cloud from e.g. get.opensuse.org similar to https://fedoraproject.org/cloud/download#cloud_launch https://github.com/openSUSE/get-o-o openSUSE images published by the Public CLoud team are in pint (pint.suse.com) and findable via pint command Kiwi descriptions The way Fedora handles it is component based and very flat and easy to manage: https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/blob/rawhide/f/config.xml This could be done in a similar way and then used to compile it into the xml that OBS needs and build their. Place to add openSUSE descriptions https://code.opensuse.org/project/kiwi-descriptions https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Cloud:Images: Agreed next steps: * Lubos will request Cloud:Images:Factory (already messaged Bernhard) * Dominik will reach out to Alessandro regarding co-op on TW image * Neal && Dominik &&|| Alessandro will deliver TW image that will be eventually be build in Cloud:Images:Factory * Neil will contact admin(a)opensuse.org for a shared "alias" for members of https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:PublicCloud_team and will create the Azure Community gallery (openSUSE-somesuperlonghash) under that account. (cloud(a)lists.opensuse.org [public] / cloud-admin(a)opensuse.org [private alias]) * Neal will create the matrix channel and will update wiki ^ * Lubos will schedule a meeting after osc2024.

3 months, 2 weeks

Re: RFC: SELinux as default MAC system on new Tumbleweed installations

by josef Reidinger

On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 13:07:39 +0200 Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2024-07-26 at 11:00 +0200, josef Reidinger wrote: > > > > So it will mean that technically TW/Leap is driven by one of SUSE > > team. That is for me problematic from two points. The first one is > > that Early Adopters team is basically playground for new technologies > > for SUSE products, which I am not sure is not always in conflict with > > users/community interest. And the second reason is that it is not > > anyway formalized, so I do not expect many people know it ( including > > me ), that they should contact your team for such decisions ( is it > > even publicly available who is responsible for what and who is in > > team? ). For example I mention on my talk on OSC that it would be > > nice to have for newbies default desktop selected in TW and Leap, to > > avoid unnecessary confusion for people coming from windows or mac > > world. So who should I contact for such decision? > > You confuse my team with Thorsten's Team: Future Technologies. > > Tumbleweed has always been, and should always remain, 'open to new > technlogogies' (you can call it playground) for as long as it does not > break stuff immediately (break down the line when the new tech has > become standard is sometimes inevitable, e.g sysv -> systemd) > > Conflict is the nature of people interacting. Always has happened, > always will happen. > > > The team formally responsible for all Leap and Tumbleweed releases is > listed at > https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Release_team > > """ > The team also tries to facilitate and take decisions regarding the > direction and well being of the openSUSE distributions. > """ > > > > > > > There is a weekly "Release Engineering" meeting where aspects for > > > Tumbleweed/Leap/MicroOS/Aeon are being discussed. > > > > > > https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse-release-enginee… > > > > > > Meeting minutes are being published weekly to the mailing lists and > > > are > > > kept for reference on etherpad. > > > > I kind of expect that Release Engineering is more about topics > > regarding issues with releasing product, not about technical > > directions of product. > > We are too good to have technical problems every week :) > > Large scale changes (like AppArmor -> SELinux switch just recently > proposed) are always redirected to the factory mailing list, where > people are welcome to participate and give their feedback. Based on > that (minus trolls) the RelEng team will loop back with the original > proposal to move forward (or not). > > The model seems to have worked reliably well so far. Of course there is > always room for improvement, but considering that things like Aeon and > Kalpa could come out, or initiatives like Slowroll, seems to indicate > that people seem to find their ways around 'somehow' > > Cheers, > Dominique Do not get me wrong, I do not blame your work as result of it I am happily using everyday. I just thing that this model basically means that openSUSE ( or whatever new name is used ) is not community distribution based on SUSE source codes ( for leap case ) or with SUSE as major contributor ( for TW ), but it is more SUSE driven free distribution with community support. So maybe we should somehow distinguish it that TW and Leap is SUSE driven and stuff like Aeon is not officially SUSE driven. In this light I have to say that I really support Jeff idea to do beside openSUSE rename also governance change that allows more community engagement. Josef

1 month, 2 weeks

openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 15.05.2024

by Lubos Kocman

How to join the meeting? https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse-release-enginee… All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting ## Attendees DimStar, lkocman, Sarah, rbrown, guillaumeg, ana, DocB, bmwiedemann,maxlin, dirk ## Leap openSUSE 15.6 GMC code submission deadline is tomorrow 2024-05-16 (painful desktop-file-translations were refetched && submitted && accepted) to SP6. I am still not happy about two desktop issues https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219505 (multi-input switching not possible in chrome/flatpak apps under Wayland) https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219718 (NVIDIA only) # We expect to have a fix https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Known_bugs_15.6 DocB: Testing of GNUHealth so far without issues, same for LXQt desktop, Onionshare to be tested Max: \o/ lkocman: \o/ openSUSE-repos - questionable quality (mixing flavors of -NVIDIA and url breakage on 15.6) Addressing the issue at https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-repos/issues/54 by CI + basic openQA coverage Leap 16 Shared concerns about the currently proposed schedule of SLES. Team responded and they're on it Leap Micro 6.0 I'm blocking Beta on openQA availability https://github.com/os-autoinst/opensuse-jobgroups/pull/447 a-kpappas is on it, he might need a help time-wise // I'll be attending Fedora 40 release party in Prague, CZ on Friday 18:30 in case somebody from factory@ wants to meet in person ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (ana) openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 57 failed 9 unresolvable (last week 61 failed, 6 unresolvable) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz 638 requests accepted in the last week Most relevant updates: * util-linux 2.40.1 merging lastlog2. ( Needed libeconf static library for btrfsprogs. ) * virtualbox brings KMPs for kernel-longterm * Linux Kernel 6.8.9 * kernel headers 6.9 * KDE Frameworks 6.2.0 * libzypp 17.33.4 (35) & zypper 1.14.73 * systemd 255.5 * cmake 3.29.3 * gcc 14.1 (NOTE: not default compiler yet) * transactional-updates 4.6.8 Soon: * systemd 255.6 * Linux Kernel 6.9 Blocked: * ninja 1.12.0 (blocked by 3 FTBFS: libqt5-qtwebengine, qt6-webengine and spiel) * pytest 8.2.0 (first of 8.x.x series), a bunch of python packages require fixes in their tests. * rubygem-rspec, waiting for update of the remaining -rspec packages ### longer-lasting topics * GCC 14: second phase ongoing, use gcc14 as the default compiler (Staging:Gcc7) Advancing slowly * RPM 4.20 https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… (96 spec files left with this issue in Factory) * go1.22 as default go version, blocked on i586 with packages which export CGO_ENABLED=0 and go build -buildmode pie https://github.com/golang/go/issues/64875 (needs to update ~70 packages) traking at https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221095 * dbus-broker as default dbus session manager, now everything builds, some openQA checks failing. ## Richard (Aeon+botmaster) Tons of progress! All components for new Aeon installer and new-style Aeon images are in Factory! New-style Aeon images will be available soon - containment-tik-img-to-rpm has been written, tested, in Factory, prematurely enabled in the PrjConfig, and broke every devel project..now waiting for the package to be in a snapshot before requiring it again tik (Aeon's installer) getting a steady stream of good, actionable bug reports, which are being fixed quickly - Current #1 bug being improving the migration module to also backup/restore 'nested subvolumes' such as those from containers in /home - considered a blocker for RC2 Aeon has a new website - https://aeondesktop.org - Improvements welcome, ideally in the form of pull requests to https://github.com/AeonDesktop/aeondesktop.github.io - General feedback is also welcome, but far less likely to actioned any time soon as focus is on the Aeon installer and new images SELinux issues preventing autologin being worked on by SUSE Security Team microos-tools maintainers resisting any performance improvements to SELinux relabeling - Aeon considering a fork as a result lkocman: would the product with a fork pass the SEC-0 security audit? Richard: it will, tool just triggers relabeling. Being slow might make sense for some edge cases, but should not be the default, especially for Aeon/desktop. with typical-data with the current settings a 15 minute boot time is a real possibility and should be avoided as much as possible ## Max Leap 15.6 - build stats in Backports: 11 failed(was 13), 0 unresolvable(was 1) * Published Build686.1, Build690.1 and Build691.1 * Build 690.1 had few known uninstalalble package problem which got fixed in Build691.1 * No significant change added to Backports:SLE-15-SP6 nor in openSUSE:Leap:15.6 project, bugfixes change only Upcoming openSUSE-welcome change (adds donation button to geekos.org) ## Guillaume - Arm * Tumbleweed: - Rolling - kernel-source-longterm:kernel-longterm and kernel-source-longterm:kernel-syms-longterm are only built for x86_64, which breaks some packages for arm targets (dpdk, v4l2loopback and more). rfrohl: kernel-longterm has no arm config ATM, build will not work I think - openQA: added more missing tests for aarch64 to track x86_64. - WIP: Continue to fix packages built without PAC/BTI - rpmlint: https://rpmlint.opensuse.org/ * we noticed that rpmlint does not check anymore for packages built without distro %{optflags}. We should add it back. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1217840 Doug: rpmlint GSOC topic. Neal will be helping to mentor that. https://github.com/openSUSE/mentoring/issues/204 * Leap 15.6/Backports SP6: - no issue Just FYI: armv7hl (port) repo definitions issues in openSUSE-repos (debug, source. Debug was dropped source repo is now used from the distribution/leap source repo. Dirk: agreed on not investing time into correction of source/debug repo publishing for Leap 15.6 armv7hl ## Sarah - s390x * Tumbleweed: - rolling - ansible can be installed on s390x again - most memory related issues resolved - 3 years old memory bug was resolved by Richard instead of IBM -> IBM wanted to improve their own solution in gcc (new memory improvement solution) - openblas dependencies enabled in AI/HPC related Python packages -> discussions with SUSE because missing feature requests by IBM for SLE * openSUSE on s390x is supported by the company beta systems at their customers :) * new future feature for LLVM in development: cross compilation on openSUSE Tumbleweed with C/C++ for the transfer to z/OS will be possible (LLVM and clang will be integrated in the IBM compiler) * bi-weekly Z architecture related trainings instead of openSUSE zSystems meetings (invitations distributed via opensuse-zsystems and opensuse-factory): Yesterday with 9 attendees lkocman: I wonder if the SUSE certified instructor (for universities) would make sense for you Sarah. I can send you link or simply message universities(a)suse.com. * ToDo: orga of the openSUSE/SUSE zSystems BBQ party (before Ihno wants to retire) -> Ihno will join openSUSE zSystems (swith from SUSE to openSUSE) lkocman: I'd be happy to join if its around osc2024 ## Doug * Leap 15.6 article * Community translations in CA/ ES / JA / * https://en.opensuse.org/Release_announcement_15.6 *Contribution Workshops likely to resume episodes during week of May 20 * GSoC * 11 Mentees selected * Coding begins May 28 * Mid-term evaluation July 8 - 12 * Two mentors expressed interest in attending GSoC Summit * Weblate migration & update complete * dorscluc booth and talk * freewear donations sent to Geeko Foundation * Community Summit * 30 Registrations * Approved talks (waiting on confirmed talks) * Discussion with venue about AV support * Figuring out finance portion. arm providing support * openSUSE Conference * 142 Registrations * Couple of talks were dropped * T-shirts & bags ordered * Schedule posted https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSC24/schedule Static * oSC24 dates June 27 to 29 reserved (Thursday - Saturday) * Open 4 Business June 26 between 2 - 6 p.m. at Franken Campus * AI topics (static) ## Dirk zypper/libzypp size reduction landed (~ 5-8MB less code), please CC me on issues ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling not available ## Maintenance team (Marcus, Robert) We need to publish at least empty repodata to https://download.opensuse.org/update/leap-micro/6.0/sle/ Otherwise I keep temporarily repo as disabled https://build.opensuse.org/projects/openSUSE:Leap:Micro:6.0/packages/openSU… Chromium regression, update revoked ## Adrian - OBS not available ## Bernhard - Slowroll progressing nicely - might declare Slowroll as Beta/RC/ready on openSUSE conference version bump done (20240405 => 20240429) ; next planned around 2024-06-09, 2024-07-09, 2024-08-09 = plan for monthly cadence got kmps for kernel-longterm (except 3) DVD done ; NET iso WIP https://trello.com/c/AqFIWnYM/1-install-cddvd openQA-test-fix WIP lkocman: Could we add the opensuse-repos.pm to your test suite? ## Bernhard - reproducible builds no news ## Open Floor Sarah - we will receive a z16 system shared with other Linux distros in the community cloud. lkocman: worth writing a news-o-o post. lkocman SLFO (SUSE Linux Framework One was ALP) - Submissions are welcome (IBS only). Related to future work on https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Leap:16.0

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Re: openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 04.09.2024

by Ernst Persson

Any discussion about how to move forward with the Mesa situation? Now that 24.2.1 is out even. I know there was a bug, but the new release also has a long list of fixed issues. Den ons 4 sep. 2024 kl 14:13 skrev Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory < factory(a)lists.opensuse.org>: > How to join the meeting? > > https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse-release-enginee… > > All meeting minutes can be found here: > https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting > > ## Attendees: > DimStar, GuillaumeG, Adamm, Sarah, Richard, max, ddemaio, dirk, bmwiedemann > > NOTICE! the meeting url is https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting > > ## Leap > > Leap 16.0 agama installation in openQA with custom urls is finally working > https://github.com/os-autoinst/os-autoinst-distri-opensuse/pull/20064 and > > https://github.com/os-autoinst/openqa-trigger-from-obs/commit/8a5d90845f6a5… > > Initial merge of KDE into Leap 16.0 (~800 submissions). Build still in > progress on s390x. > KDE addition addition into Leap 16.0 / agama > https://github.com/openSUSE/agama/pull/1571 > > Branding related > Initialwork on ultrawide wallpaper for Tumbleweed > Experiments with geo-based wallpapers for 16.0 > https://github.com/lkocman/geo-wallpapers > I'm bit unhappy about current packaging of wallpapers > https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/lkocman-packaging > > I shall start working on Leap Micro 6.1 Beta > > ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (DimStar) > > openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 134 failed 23 unresolvable (last > week 15 failed, 9 unresolvable) > https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz (big increase due to more things trying > to rebuild with gcc14; > https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Factory:Rebuild shows > the resutls when we'd use rebuild=transitive, i.e 559 failed packages) > > 424 requests accepted in the last week > > Most relevant changes: > > Switch to GCC14 as default compiler in 20240827 (emacs was locked on > GCC13 as it fails test suite with gcc13) > > Kernel 6.10.7 > > > Other updates: > > NetworkManager 1.48.10 > > openSSH 9.8p1 > > python numpy2 - by far not everything is ready for that, so numpy 1.x > will be re-introduced > > > Blocked: > > perl-Bootloader to be renamed to update-bootloader, openQA tests needs > updating https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/165686 > > python-Sphinx 8.0.2: causes a few breakages, Staging:L > > Boost 1.86: LibreOffice fails to build > > go 1.23 as new distro default: ignition fails to build > (https://github.com/coreos/ignition/issues/1931) > > > ### longer-lasting topics > > Switch default LSM from AppArmor to SELinux, see > > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… > > > > ## Richard (Aeon+botmaster) > Recovering after weeks of serious illness. > Catching up with everything that happened in the past weeks. > Not aware of any burning issues with Aeon. Looking forward to picking > up Aeon/tik and pushng them towards release.. > Reading up on some discussions regarding tuning up the deploment of > opensuse-release-tools to botmaster > > Q, Toying with the idea of volunteering Aeon as an exemplar/pathfinder > for git workflow, does that sound feasible? > lkocman: We do already have git for Leap:16.0:Images, but the main > image agama-installer-Leap is currently built in openSUSE:Leap:16.0 > > > ## Max > > Leap 16.0 > * Merged kde packages to Leap 16.0, some kapps are pending in staging > still, the requirement for patterns-kde is fulfilled at least. Max > mentioned that we finally broke the 1000 packages count in 16.0 :-) > * Disabled devel_web pattern for the time being until we know the > desicision about virtualization package > * Working on check_source make it to made submission on hold if the > target package exist in SLFO > * A script has uploaded SLFO packagelist to > > https://build.opensuse.org/projects/openSUSE:Leap:16.0:Staging/packages/das… > in case you want to adjust your tooling against SLFO packagelist and > don't want to checkout gittree every time > lkocman: agama - KDE was added as an option for Leap 16.0 > lkocman: Dimstar mentioned that perhaps we want to make a storage HW > request for 16.0, as we'll build more trees and images than in 15.3+ > (where we started to use adi stagings only). > Adrian: the entire model of stagings might change, there is multiple > possibilities. It's also the data transfer aside from pure storage. > Max: Same situation with staging will happen soon on Tumbleweed. > > ## Guillaume - Arm > > Tumbleweed: > * Rolling > * Submitted fixes for some build failures related to GCC14 > (starting with packages from ring1) > * User complained about missing web browsers for armv7 - > > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/arm@lists.opensuse.org/thread/5LLT… > > Leap 15.5: > * RPi3 boot problem related to a kernel update > https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1225352 > > Leap 15.6: > * No blocker > > > ## Sarah - s390x > * Tumbleweed rolling > * s390-tools are updated > > Topic openSUSE on Hercules > * hercules package not compatible with openSUSE Tumbleweed (x86) any more > -> new project on Github https://github.com/SDL-Hercules-390/hyperion > -> submitted > Hints about special instructions in Hercules: > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74185.html > > Kernel problem with Leap/Tumbleweed on new Hercules emulator (zram > kernel trace): > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74187.html > -> takeover by SUSE (Marcela) > > AI packages by IBM installable with anaconda Python Installer (conda > install): > RedBook AI for Linux on Z published: > https://ibm.github.io/ai-on-z-101/blog/archive/2024/ > ( > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/zsystems@lists.opensuse.org/thread… > ) > > User feedback about reasons for switching from Leap to Tumbleweed > (because of Upgrade problems): > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74188.html > Leap 16.0 will very likely have similar maintenance workflow as Leap > Micro 6.1, which does not utilize :Update project. Perhaps some of > these issues would simply go away by design. > lkocman: the mentioned upgrade issues were a past issue which was > already resolved. We've clarified it over email. > > ## Doug > > * openSUSE.Asia Summit > > * A couple talks cancelled by prospective speakers > > * TSP > > * 16 of 28 accepted so far > > * Akademy begins this weekend > * FOSDEM > > * No call for booth yet > > * Dates are likely to be 01.02 & 02.02 > > * Provided small article about slowroll snapshots > * Establishing roadmap for https://github.com/openSUSE/lessons > * GSoC > > * 10 or 11 finals complete > > * 1 final extention due on Sept. 30 > > lkocman: LinuxDays 2024 (11-12 Oct) followed by Packaging workshop in > Prague. We have I believe ~5 talks from SUSE employees. > > ## Dirk > > No update > > ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling, Nathan Cutler > > Package HUB for SLES 16 talk on next Wednesday (after this call). > A high level discussion about what should we make available in Package > HUB module and what not. > > ## Maintenance team (Marcus, Robert) > > * Sarah mentioned 20 downgrades of packages during distribution > upgrade. Details in > https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74188.html > lkocman: will open a bug report and will get list of packages from the ML > above. > > need more maintainers for future chromium updates after Andreas > Stieger stepped down. > > ## Adrian - OBS > > > Heads up: planning regarding offline installer for Agama. > > ## Bernhard - Slowroll > > had trouble from incompatible dbus-1 update => reverted > preparing next version bump to 20240901 - planned in a week > > ## Bernhard - reproducible builds > > see > https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… > > I plan to attend the r-b summit in Hamburg 2024-09-17 > > want to see merged > https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-tools/pull/3129 => needs > change to create adiN:rb subproject to not block progress of > submissions with slow builds (e.g. chromium 18h+) or failing timebombs > (e.g. python-gpstime) > > ## Adam - Git Workflow > > {wip} migrating project workflow to RabbitMQ + polling (in case events > lost) > > TODO: migrate NodeJS devel project after above is done > > > ## Open Floor > lkocman: Sebastian Riedel raised a problem with ownership of > legal-auto.py (OSRT). We got the change it, but nobody seem to be > officially owning the tool. Maybe move it into SUSE org. >

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openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 11.09.2024

by Lubos Kocman

How to join the meeting? https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse-release-enginee… All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting ## Attendees: bittin, ana, rbrown, lkocman, DimStar, bmwiedemann, max, DocB, adrian, dirk, ddemaio, wengel NOTICE! the meeting url is https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting ## Leap Leap 16.0 Agama now has nice distro icons on product selection! Thanks to dgdavid for finishing the PR. https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/4468203#step/agama/2 Split agama.pm into agama.pm && agama_reboot.pm (further splititng on the way) * Almost green openQA yesterday on a previous build. * Added grub_test to openQA, to help us handle cases where USB scenarios again boot agama after installation * Added zdup from 15.6 to openQA,will require quite some work. Thanks to Jozef Pupava for help with zdup and Richard Fan for PR review We shall officially reach out to KDE regarding timing for Plasma 6 LTS and Leap 16.X https://community.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_6 Antonio told me that he'll raise it on KDE Advisory Board meeting (10th of October) Rough schedule for 16 (depends on what changes on SLES side) https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap#DRAFT_Schedule_for_openSUSE_Leap_1… Alpha (Fall 2024) Beta April/May 2025 RC July/Aug 2025 GA mid-Oct 2025 Ideally we should get code-drop around Beta which for 16.X should be April/May 16.0 Public Beta code drop is currently scheduled for April 21st 2025. If we get it past Beta it raises integration challenges with SLES, if we get it post RC (July/Aug) then we might not be able to get required changes into corresponding SLES 16.X release at all. If we get it too late/too early for next release (e.g. Oct) then it might feel already obsolete with GA which is 12 months after. Leap Micro 6.0 Merged && released latest update of product-composer to ensure we have all fixes for the maintenance pipeline. Discussed with Gustavo Boiko, where he mentioned that there is already queued update for ALP (Micro 6.0 base). (was action item from previous Releng call) Leap Micro 6.1 SL Micro 6.1 Getting close to RC so we're quite late to join the party. * need to ensure that we have all bits and pieces synced to OBS * Worst pain will be to set openQA etc. Which takes substantial amount of time. Welcome app refresh I shared my recent experments with python gtk4/libadwaita carousel (dialog in the distribution colors) with DimStar and lcp. recommendation from lcp was to go with configuring existing tool such as gnome-tour and plasma6-welcome. To be honest my proposal started to look very much like these apps. https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/2792c21e392a I'll look into it a bit further later this week https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:lkocman:branches:GNOME:Next/gn… ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (Ana) openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: 86 failed 8 unresolvable (last week 134 failed, 23 unresolvable) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz (big increase due to more things trying to rebuild with gcc14; https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Factory:Rebuild shows the results when we'd use rebuild=transitive, i.e 497 failed packages) 576 requests accepted in the last week Most relevant changes: Linux Kernel 6.10.8 and 6.10.9 Linux Kernel Longterm 6.6.49 and 6.6.50 libzypp 17.35.10 and zypper 1.14.77 Switch to go1.23 by default Switch to rust1.81 by default Other updates: expat 2.6.3 cairo 1.18.2 Qt5 5.15.15 crun 1.16.1 gnutls 3.8.7 gtk4 4.16.0 libvirt 10.7.0 mariadb 11.5.2 openvswitch 3.3.1 python-Django 5.1.1 Blocked: perl-Bootloader to be renamed to update-bootloader, openQA tests needs updating https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/165686 Boost 1.86: LibreOffice fails to build python-Sphinx 8.0.2: causes a few breakages, Staging:L, blocked by python310 (FTBFS python-furl and python-xmlschema) python311 blocked by FTBFS: python-furl and python-xmlschema python312 blocked by FTBFS: python-executing, python-Twisted:test, python-bugzilla python-pybind11 + python-scipy + python-numpy, waiting for fix for python-pandas:test Busy on Mesa bisect to identify error between 24.1.3 and 24.1.4 ### longer-lasting topics Switch default LSM from AppArmor to SELinux, see https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… ## Richard (Aeon+botmaster) Botmaster - supporting the possible split of licensedigger to have seperate instances for IBS/OBS. All relevant information found on botmaster and backedup Aeon - No major issues reported, limited time for work last week, hoping to start ramping up again tik - Support being added for GUI-less operation, not using a TUI/dialog in order to fully support all architectures, including s390x ## Max Leap 16.0 * Added kde to RIng1, and sort out the RIng1 * Product build in staging: 27GB for main repo; 57GB for debug repo * Adjusted check_source to decline submission to existing SLFO package to Leap 16.0, deployed it to botmaster. An example of declined request: https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/1200068 * Updated 000update-repos configs in Leap 16.0 in order to get a proper weakremovers file One idea: we could use e.g. self-install image for Stagings (instead of Agama), alternatively use agama with tree which has more or less size of old install dvd or similar. ## Guillaume - Arm Not available Tumbleweed: * Rolling * User complained about missing web browsers for armv7 - https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/arm@lists.opensuse.org/thread/5LLT… Leap 15.5: * RPi3 boot problem related to a kernel update https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1225352 Leap 15.6: * Problems on RPi4 with very long boot and keyboard unrecognized with latest rapsberrypi-eeprom update (update taken from TW) - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230104 ## Sarah - s390x Not available * Tumbleweed rolling * s390-tools are updated Topic openSUSE on Hercules * hercules package not compatible with openSUSE Tumbleweed (x86) any more -> new project on Github https://github.com/SDL-Hercules-390/hyperion -> submitted Hints about special instructions in Hercules: https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74185.html Kernel problem with Leap/Tumbleweed on new Hercules emulator (zram kernel trace): https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74187.html -> takeover by SUSE (Marcela) AI packages by IBM installable with anaconda Python Installer (conda install): RedBook AI for Linux on Z published: https://ibm.github.io/ai-on-z-101/blog/archive/2024/ (https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/zsystems@lists.opensuse.org/thread…) User feedback about reasons for switching from Leap to Tumbleweed (because of Upgrade problems): https://www.mail-archive.com/linux-390@vm.marist.edu/msg74188.html Leap 16.0 will very likely have similar maintenance workflow as Leap Micro 6.1, which does not utilize :Update project. Perhaps some of these issues would simply go away by design. lkocman: the mentioned upgrade issues were a past issue which was already resolved. We've clarified it over email. ## Doug * Marketing material to shipped to Bulgaria and Italy * Marketing campaign: Capture Windows 10 users with openSUSE pre & post-2025 * Fixed shop.o.o issue Many thanks for adding current branding (like t-shirt with up2date Leap logo etc!) Very much appreciated. * Edited and published TW Python 3.13 RC2 GIL article * openSUSE.Asia Summit * form sent out to those planning to attend * TSP * 18 of 28 accepted so far * Had booth and talk at Akademy * Passed along info about ideal time for a Plasma LTS would be April 2025 * Had discussions about supporting LAS * Seeing if OSCC will sponsor * FOSDEM - No call for booth yet * GSoC * 1 final extention due on Sept. 30 ## Dirk git workflow proposal plan to communicate and align before end of Sept (Sep 30th) ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling, Nathan Cutler No update. Package HUB for SLES 16 talk on next Wednesday (after this call). A high level discussion about what should we make available in Package HUB module and what not. ## Maintenance team (Marcus, Robert) python-django re-addition into Package HUB for 15 SP6. need more maintainers for future chromium updates after Andreas Stieger stepped down. ## Adrian - OBS No big update Heads up: planning regarding offline installer for Agama. ## Bernhard - Slowroll did version bump to 20240901 on 2024-09-09 ; no complaints so far, besides a report about broken KDE+Wayland Found a collaborator ; first public dev meeting 2024-09-12 08:00 UTC https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE_Slowroll/comments/1fddkv6/slowroll_develo… lkocman: Some questions about upgrade from Leap -> Slowroll. Do we have that documented? (openSUSE-repos can help) lkocman: Jay Michalska (lcp) can help with permissions at calendar.opensuse.org ## Bernhard - reproducible builds see https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… started to fill in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Reproducible_openSUSE/Part1 ; still some issue with kernel and variations in BTF ( https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/bpf/btf.html ) I plan to attend the r-b summit in Hamburg 2024-09-17 want to see merged https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-tools/pull/3129 => needs change to create adiN:rb subproject to not block progress of submissions with slow builds (e.g. chromium 18h+) or failing timebombs (e.g. python-gpstime) ## Adam - Git Workflow {wip} migrating project workflow to RabbitMQ + polling (in case events lost) TODO: migrate NodeJS devel project after above is done ## Open Floor

5 days, 10 hours

Re: Leap Replacement - Results from recent contributor survey

by Simon Lees

On 9/3/23 15:54, Richard Brown wrote: > On 2023-09-03 02:45, Simon Lees wrote: >> >> So I've seen enough from the granite discussions along with enough >> user and developer interest (which didn't have to be much) to want to >> work on / build a Granite++ I.E. Rather then just doing a 1:1 rebuild, >> having an additional repo similar to openSUSE_Backports for Leap and >> allowing contributors to submit whichever packages they feel they'd >> like on top. >> >> I think that this will be a sustainable approach in that Granite gives >> us a good base OS and we will only be adding on top of it the stuff >> that people care enough about to contribute and to the people who do >> contribute it will be more useful then plane granite plus keeping a >> bunch of there own packages in there home repo's. At some point I >> should probably also talk to the package hub team, because if they are >> interested in a package hub concept for ALP its likely we could also >> share some effort. >> >> Will it be functionally comparable with Leap, probably not will it be >> comparable enough to be marketed as a Leap replacement at this stage >> who knows. Will it be a useful standalone distro that's worth doing in >> my opinion yes. If it reaches the contributor and user level of >> something like MicroOS then i'd be willing to call it a working >> success. >> >> To answer your final two questions, I still plan to go ahead with >> these efforts once the ALP repo's are successfully synced back into >> OBS at least to the point of starting to get some of the packages I >> care about working. As for a timeframe personally i'm not planning on >> doing too much until Granite is a little more fleshed out and more of >> the package set starts being added to ALP. Otherwise it will probably >> lead to a bunch of duplicated effort. >> >> Finally I think slowroll is a fun concept and I look forward to seeing >> the results if people keep playing with the idea. > > Thanks for sharing your plans Simon > > But like you seem to accept, they may not exactly equate to a viable > Leap replacement > > With Granite not coming until 2025 and there being no plan for a Leap > 15.7, there would be a high risk of having no option for Leap users for > a year or two while your idea takes form, gets developed and then released Well from my maths a 15.6 mid 2024 + 18 months of support lands us at the end of 2025 and while now is probably too early to work on something I'd hope that we'd be able to work on something in parallel with granite development through 2025 so that we have something viable by the end of 2025, As long as all the key components of Granite are in place I also wouldn't rule out trying to release something a little before the granite release maybe within the Beta period if it helps with time frames. This might not meet every need of every existing Leap user but it would certainly be my goal to meet the needs of as many as we reasonably can so there is atleast some choice for people who don't wish to move to full tumbleweed. Of course from these numbers we might not get the general 6 months we have for migration between current point releases but unless Granite releases in December of 2025 hopefully we can get more then a month. If toward the end of 2025 we look like we have a viable replacement but might ideally need a little more time for migration then i'd certainly consider getting the board to approach SUSE about maybe the possibility of moving from 18 months of support to maybe 21 for 15.6. But either way at this stage i'm certainly not seeing a period where there'd be a year or two of completely unsupported systems. Given how similar the planned approach is to Leap and the fact we were able to put together a prototype in a week based off just the Marble codebase the design is mostly there and really all we are waiting for is some up to date ALP sources to hit OBS it doesn't really need to be all of Granite either if we just start working with a smaller subset of packages until the core of ALP starts to land and we build more on top of it. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

1 year

openSUSE Release Engineering meeting 03.07.2024

by Lubos Kocman

How to join the meeting? https://calendar.opensuse.org/teams/release/events/opensuse-release-enginee… All meeting minutes can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-meeting ## Attendees: wengel, DocB, Lubos, Ana, DimStar, Max, Doug, ## Leap Leap 15.6 Release retrospective survey was closed on Sunday https://survey.opensuse.org/ Many thanks to all who participated. We've had 146 responses in total. Leap 16.0 Installable image https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Leap:/16.0:/Images/ima… (we need to update 8.0.0 to 9.0.0 as we use Agama 9) Agama SRs to factory on the way - maybe we could skip Playwright theme. I'd like to make some get-o-o items to test it out. Needs to be marked as experimental etc. Regaring Leap 16 Branding workshop on OSC, I'd like to put together some next steps article and call out for photo competition. To put together some wallpaper collection as part of https://github.com/openSUSE/branding/issues/135 Leap Micro 6.0 GA ed on Tuesday before conference https://news.opensuse.org/2024/06/25/leap-micro-60-availability/ Considering adding Leap Micro 6.X into agama. ## openSUSE Tumbleweed (ana) openSUSE:Factory build fail stats: xx failed xx unresolvable (last week 22 failed, 24 unresolvable) https://tinyurl.com/ysy4nnnz - Still building ~499 requests accepted in the last week Most relevant updates: cmake 3.29.6 perl 5.40.0 Linux Kernel 6.9.7 Linux Kernel Longterm 6.6.36 Plasma 6.1.1 Gnome 46.3 wireplumber 0.5.5 pipewire 1.2.0 gstreamer 1.24.5 libzypp 17.35.1 // zypper 1.14.73 Soon: Plasma 6.1.2 Agama, new Linux installer ( https://github.com/opensuse/agama ) systemd 255.8 Blocked: pytest 8.2.0 (first of 8.x.x series), almost there, got tied to python312 3.12.4 update Poppler 24.07.0 (fixed inkscape and scribus, missing efl) transactional-updates (adds soft-reboot by default, blocked by openQA tests) libcrypt (breaks testsuite of obs-build, waiting for merge of https://github.com/openSUSE/obs-build/pull/1011) ### longer-lasting topics GCC 14: second phase ongoing, use gcc14 as the default compiler (Staging:Gcc7) Advancing slowly RPM 4.20 https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/factory@lists.opensuse.org/thread/… (2 spec files left with this issue in Factory - https://rpmlint.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory/x86_64/standard?rule=patch-ma…) go1.22 as default go version, blocked on i586 with packages which export CGO_ENABLED=0 and go build -buildmode pie https://github.com/golang/go/issues/64875 (needs to update ~70 packages) traking at https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221095 dbus-broker as default dbus session manager, now everything builds, some openQA checks failing. btrfsmaintenance - https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1224364 rubygem-rspec, waiting for update of the remaining -rspec packages (DONE) ## Richard (Aeon+botmaster) ## Max no news ## Guillaume - Arm Not available ## Sarah - s390x Not available ## Doug * Sent marketing material to Brazil * openSUSE.Asia Summit * CfP is open * 12 Submission * lkocman talked to Sunny about Leap 16 / Leap Micro 6.0 talk todo discuss this within the team. Anicka supports us * Community Summit * 38 Atttendees * openSUSE Conference * 245 Registrations (250 Atttendees) * Open 4 Business was well received * Video (Thank you video team) * Raw video at https://streaming.media.ccc.de/osc24/relive * Youtube uploads to come TBD * GSoC * Mid-term evaluation July 8 - 12 * Finals will be August 26 - Sept. 2 (For most) Static * AI topics (static) ## Dirk Not available zypper/libzypp size reduction landed (~ 5-8MB less code), please CC me on issues ## Wolfgang (Package Hub), Scott Bahling no news lkocman: Plan for 15.7/15 SP7 is to have just a minimal setup to support Package HUB Migration from 15.6 to SP7 (maybe via SP6 and then upgrade to SP7). Let's discuss this with the QA testing migration. Minimum is to have a clear statement on wiki regarding migrations. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:How_to_migrate_to_SLE Wolfgang: osc2024 videos, they'll be probably published next week. Encoding && publish is missing ## Maintenance team (Marcus, Robert) Not available Marcus: 15.6 looks correctly setup. Processing chromium updates. old GPG keys were in :Update repos. This is now fixed. Leap Micro 5.4 was marked as EOL (will not receive further updates) ## Adrian - OBS Not available ## Bernhard - Slowroll pulled in openssh CVE fix (TW has it in the update channel too) preparing next version bump next version bumps planned with monthly cadence around 2024-07-09, 2024-08-09, 2024-09-09 ## Bernhard - reproducible builds did several fixes. plan to spend more time on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Reproducible_openSUSE distribution. ## Open Floor

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