V Thu, 1 Mar 2018 11:55:58 +0100 "Kacper Gorski" <idmpaypal@gmail.com> napsáno:

-----Message d'origine----- De : Josef Reidinger [mailto:jreidinger@suse.cz] Envoyé : jeudi 1 mars 2018 11:12 À : Kacper Gorski <idmpaypal@gmail.com>; YaST-Devel <yast-devel@opensuse.org> Objet : Re: [yast-devel] Integrating Orca screen reader in to the openSUSE installer

V Thu, 1 Mar 2018 10:07:08 +0100 "Kacper Gorski" <idmpaypal@gmail.com> napsáno:

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-----Message d'origine----- De : Josef Reidinger [mailto:jreidinger@suse.cz] Envoyé : jeudi 1 mars 2018 08:40 À : yast-devel@opensuse.org Objet : Re: [yast-devel] Integrating Orca screen reader in to the openSUSE installer

V Thu, 1 Mar 2018 00:01:22 +0100 "Kacper Gorski" <idmpaypal@gmail.com> napsáno:

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Good evening.

Could you integrate Orca into the openSUSE installer?

Because I am blind and I would like to install openSUSE independently.

cordially Kacper Gorski

Hi Kacper, I think in past it somehow worked ( I never try it ). I expect you are more experienced than we, so do you have idea what needs to be done to integrate it? I do not think that it makes it as common feature sponsored by SUSE, but it is option for hackweek project or as GSOC project ( you miss deadline for this year by few weeks ) and for it we need to have idea what needs to be done and also if you can define expected usage ( like having hardcoded shortcut that start screen reader, no mouse usage, only keyboard shortcuts and such requirements ), so we can test it properly.

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Hello.

As far as I know, the openSUSE installer never includes a screen reader.

All I know is that for example some live CD's of openSUSE 11 and 12 proposed, at startup options to press the F9 key on the keyboard to launch the screen reader. Debian, for example, also offers assistive technology for installation, including the famous screen reader.

But as I have a preference for openSUSE, it would be nice to integrate assistive technologies into the openSUSE installer for people with disabilities.

If the goal of openSUSE is to target everyone, beginners experiment them etc, so handicaps them too?

cordially Kacper Gorski

it is openSUSE goal, but also openSUSE is not perpetum mobile. Someone have to do the work. So you do not need to convince me that it is useful feature. As I said I do not think that SUSE will sponsor such work, but it can be done as side project by community or by SUSE as part of hackweek. But for that goal I need to know what needs to be done and ideally how to test it? E.g. I expect mouse is useless for blind people right? so you use keyboard only? Or do you have/need special hardware? I do not know any blind people around who I can ask, so I expect that you involve and helps with testing and also with answering questions when we start implementing it. E.g. you can be co-mentor if we add it as Google Summer of Code project.

Josef

Yes, the blind we use only the keyboard. For the hardware, there is no need for a specific thing, optionally a braille beach support, but the vocal synthesis is already enough.

cordially Kacper Gorski

Ok, so now we at least know how we need to test it. So ideally try to hear what pc say to you and use keyboard to specify what should be achieved. More questions: - what you typically configure? user and password? timezone? or more advanced setup like different partitioning, playing with bootloader setup and modifying software selection? And if, then why? As I expect for first run goal should be to handle simple installation, but maybe we should install by default some assistance software for blind user if he do installation. In such case what software you think make sense to be installed by default? - Is acceptable for you to have requirement to enable installation for blind users by some keyboard shortcut that will be documented? Or should we try to have different DVD for blind only ( but I expect it won't be so much tested ). - do you expect there also some volume tunning? or do you simply use some headset that have built-in volume control? Josef -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org