Dne 30.4.2012 09:35, Josef Reidinger napsal(a):

On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:32:29 +0530 Akshit Khurana wrote:

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It is inspired by Debian Popcon[2] and the way they(Debian/Ubuntu) get users to sign up is through their installation and configuration tools.[3] We would like the same for Popcorn by integrating with YaST, if that is possible.

It should not be problem, just be aware that each GUI(TUI) have own implementation, so it needs to be done three times - for GTK, QT and ncurses.

It might not be necessary to implement it three times, it depends on what you want to achieve. If it only sends data to the remote server and does not interact with the package manager UI then it can be implemented as usual yast module - the same way as we now call e.g. the repository manager from the package manager UI (the repository manager is a standard yast module with single implementation). And simple package management tasks could be done via Pkg:: calls if needed. On the other hand native Qt/Gtk UI could contain better (fancy) graphics, the generic graphics capabilities in Yast are quite limited. So it depends what features you want or how it should look like. -- Ladislav Slezák Appliance department / YaST Developer Lihovarská 1060/12 190 00 Prague 9 / Czech Republic tel: +420 284 028 960 lslezak@suse.com SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/30/2012 09:40 AM, Jiří Suchomel wrote:

V Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:32:29 +0530 Akshit Khurana napsáno:

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Hi,

I'm working on Popcorn[1] for openSUSE this summer. Popcorn will gather statistics determining popular packages in openSUSE, and later for other distributions as well.

Interesting. I see two possible places (there are probably more) where we could ask user for permission to send their data

- during installation process, at some place in the workflow, there could be a checkbox (similar to that Debian one). That way most users would see it and could react. However, there are too many options in installation already, and we'd be adding new...

Not really back in the old days installation was more controllable by the user nowadays it's patterns dictating mainly

- it could be "hidden" in some of the configuration menus of YaST software management module. This would be more relevant place for gathering packages data, but users would not see it unless they'd specifically look for it.

If that is the road to go what should it be by default opt-in or opt-out Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:40:33 +0200 Jiří Suchomel wrote:

V Sat, 28 Apr 2012 20:32:29 +0530 Akshit Khurana napsáno:

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Hi,

I'm working on Popcorn[1] for openSUSE this summer. Popcorn will gather statistics determining popular packages in openSUSE, and later for other distributions as well.

Interesting. I see two possible places (there are probably more) where we could ask user for permission to send their data

- during installation process, at some place in the workflow, there could be a checkbox (similar to that Debian one). That way most users would see it and could react. However, there are too many options in installation already, and we'd be adding new...

- it could be "hidden" in some of the configuration menus of YaST software management module. This would be more relevant place for gathering packages data, but users would not see it unless they'd specifically look for it.

Jiri

Solution that is quite nice I see on Ubuntu. You start installation ( or disk partitioning ) and during slide show you can configure system ( so we can ask during installaling packages if user want to send such data ). Advantage is that it is not slow down of operation and it is really optional. Josef -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/30/2012 11:45 AM, Ionuț Arțăriși wrote:

Since both smolt and popcorn would collect statistics about the user's machine (hardware profile + installed packages), I think the two checkboxes should appear together during the installation process. I think it makes sense from a UI POV, since the user is thinking about how private (vs helpful?) they want to be with their data at this point anyway.

Presenting the two (smolt and popcorn) together, under the new "Send Statistical Information" checkbox would be a great idea IMHO.

From my POV, "Send Statistical Information" is too generic and I as a user would definitely disable that feature ASAP. It definitely needs additional explanation, sadly, we don't have tooltpis for checkboxes (or do we? Qt allows us to use them in some cases). Also information how this could be turned on/off later should be there. Installation is, IMO, the right place for turning this on. Maybe placing that into software proposal would make sense. If we want at least some data, default should be :on.

I don't think this would be very helpful. The number of users who would activate popcorn if they had to look for the activation button would probably be much too small to make the project viable. This number of users would be limited by their knowing about popcorn (how would they find out about it in the first place?). Hell, I wouldn't use it if I had to make an effort to activate it each time I installed a machine (think about VMs that you only use for a specific purpose for a limited amount of time).

I'd like to have a possibility to turn this on/off also on a running system but installation should be the primary one. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Appliances Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org