[yast-devel] Feedback about the installer
We recently came across this thread related to an openSUSE review that contains some valid feedback about YaST as an installer. https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/cbp2c7/ Both the review and the comments in Reddit are pretty negative, but if we can get along the not-so-nice wording (like "guided partitioner is a joke at best") we will also find there ideas and quite some food for thoughts. So let's read and learn what we can do better. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 02:10:25PM +0200, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
So let's read and learn what we can do better.
One point of criticism is that the home partition was proposed to be formatted and not reused for home. libstorage-ng has the feature to look at filesystems and check whether they looks like a home filesystem. Maybe that check is not working anymore (it uses heuristics) or the information is not used in the new proposal code. AFAIR the old storage code also looked at the "last mounted at" information which is provided by ext4. But since the proposal is now btrfs and xfs oriented this is likely in general not so helpful anymore. ciao Arvin -- Arvin Schnell, <aschnell@suse.com> Senior Software Engineer, Research & Development SUSE Linux GmbH Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Mary Higgins, Sri Rasiah HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
V Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:10:25 +0200 Ancor Gonzalez Sosa <ancor@suse.de> napsáno:
We recently came across this thread related to an openSUSE review that contains some valid feedback about YaST as an installer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/cbp2c7/
Both the review and the comments in Reddit are pretty negative, but if we can get along the not-so-nice wording (like "guided partitioner is a joke at best") we will also find there ideas and quite some food for thoughts.
So let's read and learn what we can do better.
Cheers.
Thanks for links, I check them here is few observations I have: - I am not sure if users want simplifier or more configurable installation - surprising amount of people wants to set hostname of machine even with NM - users are confused ( same as me ) when clicking on network link in opensuse installation summary screen it shows nothing configured, but reason is that it use NM and not wicked. We need to represent it somehow better ( similar like rest of network :) - as arvin mentioned people missing that reuse of home - in general my impression is that users missing some old storage features and in general find new guided proposal confusing. Maybe it is too much technical and less user oriented. Maybe we focus too much too match various requirement of products that we miss some easy to use user configuration. Maybe something like easy wizard with sequence like: separate home? -> if yes, reuse existing home? -> if not, which size and fs you want? swap? -> if yes, which size which partitions installer can use ( and checkboxes of existing space + partitions ) and do not allow continue till it is enough space. Like if you have not enough space in your android. I worry current fine tuning of linux, windows and other partitions is too much theoretical for users. just my wild idea how can more user friendly guided proposal can look like. - allowing to add community repos in easy way during installation users missing a lot - easy cpu mitigations settings looks like well received - a lot of complains to UI of system role screen so that is in short what I read from it. Do I miss anything? Josef -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On pią, 12 lip, 2019 at 2:10 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa <ancor@suse.de> wrote:
We recently came across this thread related to an openSUSE review that contains some valid feedback about YaST as an installer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/cbp2c7/
Both the review and the comments in Reddit are pretty negative, but if we can get along the not-so-nice wording (like "guided partitioner is a joke at best") we will also find there ideas and quite some food for thoughts.
Eh, I filled that post with way too much negative energy, sorry for that. The criticism comes from wanting both YaST and by extension openSUSE be the best it can be. It wasn't supposed to be mean-spirited "is a joke at best", I just know how much more capable YaST can be, and how much the guided partitioner is missing to fill the needs of more people.
So let's read and learn what we can do better.
I did suggest a trello board for a singular task of drawing out all the modules' "best case scenario" look and functionality, which would expand the usability of YaST for this reason. Get a few sketches, mockups, discuss what is missing in them, what exactly needs to be added, what is missing in YaST, libyui and other components and maybe even discuss it with SUSE UI/UX if they have some good ideas, even if they do focus mostly on webapps ;) This should not stay just in YaST team, because you are experts at a lot of stuff, which means you will miss a lot of issues less experienced users will have. It's a team effort, where team is the community. And you don't even know how many people would like to share their annoyances with YaST if brought up in such a discussion. So yes, let's talk about it, everywhere. Have a less stressful day, LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
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