On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:47:40 +0000 Kenneth Wimer wrote:

Hi,

On 24.11.21, 08:42, "josef Reidinger" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 15:53:32 +0000 Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

> Hi all, > > Lately, we have been discussing what information YaST should display > while installing the system[1]. After considering everything and asking > for help from our UX experts, we have decided to start with a > minimalistic approach. The idea is to show only the progress bar (with > a description, of course, of the current step). So no slideshow, no > release notes, no tabs, etc.

Hi, I adapt my code to show how it looks[1]. Code is very simplified, only tricky part is still API for setup which use, for legacy reason and to keep changes minimal, progress value with mixture of time and disk size from which it is computed with some magic number size of steps.

Josef

[1] https://paste.opensuse.org/3264023

Looks good __ Maybe we could vertically center the progress bar? It currently looks a bit lost at the bottom.

-- Ken

It should not be problem. I will try to play with it a bit and send new screenshot. And also adds screenshots of ncurses ones. Josef

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:37:40 +0000 David Díaz wrote:

On Wed, 2021-11-24 at 07:47 +0000, Kenneth Wimer wrote:

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Hi,

On 24.11.21, 08:42, "josef Reidinger" wrote:

    On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 15:53:32 +0000     Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

    > Hi all,     >     > Lately, we have been discussing what information YaST should display     > while installing the system[1]. After considering everything and asking     > for help from our UX experts, we have decided to start with a     > minimalistic approach. The idea is to show only the progress bar (with     > a description, of course, of the current step). So no slideshow, no     > release notes, no tabs, etc.

    Hi,     I adapt my code to show how it looks[1].     Code is very simplified, only tricky part is still API for setup which use, for legacy reason and to keep changes minimal, progress value with mixture of time and disk size from which it is computed with some magic number size of steps.

    Josef

    [1] https://paste.opensuse.org/3264023

Looks good __ Maybe we could vertically center the progress bar? It currently looks a bit lost at the bottom.

I agree.

Taking a look at the screenshot, I see that:

* the release notes button is not there (already commented in IRC)

Hi, I tried in both qt and ncurses release notes button and check how it behave. In QT it works perfectly, as it just open release notes, but progress is still updated and any issue is properly reported with popup showing on top of release notes. In ncurses it is worse. Opening release notes blocks whole installation process. So it does not just stop updating UI, but it also does not install at all. So reading release notes is bad idea. Question is how to proceed here? The simple proposal I have is to simply not show release notes button in ncurses as majority of local users use qt and for remote ones, there are many other ways how to entertain or read release notes outside of installation process. But of course I welcome any other suggestions. Josef

* maybe we could get rid of the disabled Back and Next button (not sure if it is easily doable) * we could even change the layout for this last step (??) I mean, not dividing it into two sides and placing the header and the progress bar both vertically centered

Just "raising" ideas.

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-- Ken

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:47:40 +0000 Kenneth Wimer wrote:

Hi,

On 24.11.21, 08:42, "josef Reidinger" wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 15:53:32 +0000 Imobach Gonzalez Sosa wrote:

> Hi all, > > Lately, we have been discussing what information YaST should display > while installing the system[1]. After considering everything and asking > for help from our UX experts, we have decided to start with a > minimalistic approach. The idea is to show only the progress bar (with > a description, of course, of the current step). So no slideshow, no > release notes, no tabs, etc.

Hi, I adapt my code to show how it looks[1]. Code is very simplified, only tricky part is still API for setup which use, for legacy reason and to keep changes minimal, progress value with mixture of time and disk size from which it is computed with some magic number size of steps.

Josef

[1] https://paste.opensuse.org/3264023

Looks good __ Maybe we could vertically center the progress bar? It currently looks a bit lost at the bottom.

-- Ken

And here is gist with all screenshots comparing both bottom and centered approach - https://gist.github.com/jreidinger/a33f72b7b859a2af6599cdbf9a1a485b Josef

On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:46:00 +0000 José Iván López González wrote:

On 11/24/21 09:11, josef Reidinger wrote:

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And here is gist with all screenshots comparing both bottom and centered approach - https://gist.github.com/jreidinger/a33f72b7b859a2af6599cdbf9a1a485b

IMHO, the centered version looks much better in ncurses than in QT because it expands the whole dialog width. I suggest to do the same for the QT version.

Thanks for feedback, I worry there is no easy way to switch layout (at least not see it in https://github.com/libyui/libyui/blob/master/libyui/src/YWizard.h ), but I plan to try to close and reopen window in simple screen in QT. I hope blink will be really small.

And as David commented, maybe we could suppress the surplus buttons. In fact, I would only keep Abort.

Sadly it was harder then I thought. Reason is this line in product workflow https://github.com/yast/yast-yast2/blob/9262f2a3829e4ffd34d48fec303530f19e0b... it cause that it is restored at the end of client. So even if I have it at the start, it reappear. If I add it to all steps, it still blink there as it was restored and hidden, causing some button movement on screen, so it does not look good. Only really working solution would be to merge all steps done after proposal screen to single client that do whole deployment. But I am not sure if it is worth and also non-trivial work :(

Regards,

Iván

Josef

On 06.12.21, 13:46, "josef Reidinger" wrote: On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 19:09:45 +0100 josef Reidinger wrote: > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:46:00 +0000 > José Iván López González wrote: > > > On 11/24/21 09:11, josef Reidinger wrote: > > > > > > And here is gist with all screenshots comparing both bottom and centered approach - https://gist.github.com/jreidinger/a33f72b7b859a2af6599cdbf9a1a485b > > > > IMHO, the centered version looks much better in ncurses than in QT > > because it expands the whole dialog width. I suggest to do the same for > > the QT version. > > Thanks for feedback, I worry there is no easy way to switch layout (at least not see it in https://github.com/libyui/libyui/blob/master/libyui/src/YWizard.h ), but I plan to try to close and reopen window in simple screen in QT. I hope blink will be really small. > > > And here is video with that attempt in QT which opens wizard with whole width. https://youtu.be/ydgpF-agszQ Feel free to comment. I am not sure if it is better or not. Any chance we can see that with the SUSE theme? Without the left sidebar the effect might not be so bad. -- Ken

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:41:37 +0100 josef Reidinger wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 07:38:02 +0000 Kenneth Wimer wrote:

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On 06.12.21, 13:46, "josef Reidinger" wrote:

On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 19:09:45 +0100 josef Reidinger wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:46:00 +0000 > José Iván López González wrote: > > > On 11/24/21 09:11, josef Reidinger wrote: > > > > > > And here is gist with all screenshots comparing both bottom and centered approach - https://gist.github.com/jreidinger/a33f72b7b859a2af6599cdbf9a1a485b > > > > IMHO, the centered version looks much better in ncurses than in QT > > because it expands the whole dialog width. I suggest to do the same for > > the QT version. > > Thanks for feedback, I worry there is no easy way to switch layout (at least not see it in https://github.com/libyui/libyui/blob/master/libyui/src/YWizard.h ), but I plan to try to close and reopen window in simple screen in QT. I hope blink will be really small. > > >

And here is video with that attempt in QT which opens wizard with whole width. https://youtu.be/ydgpF-agszQ Feel free to comment. I am not sure if it is better or not.

Any chance we can see that with the SUSE theme? Without the left sidebar the effect might not be so bad.

-- Ken

Yes, I can try it with SLE15-SP4 which use SUSE theme. Will create video today. Josef

And here it is ( sorry for taking so long, but video editing take some time and I hit some strange issue with mirroring of latest SLE build ): https://youtu.be/H-IrMonji14 Josef

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 21:12:23 +0000 Kenneth Wimer wrote:

On 07.12.21, 21:09, "josef Reidinger" wrote:

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:41:37 +0100 josef Reidinger wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 07:38:02 +0000 > Kenneth Wimer wrote: > > > On 06.12.21, 13:46, "josef Reidinger" wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 19:09:45 +0100 > > josef Reidinger wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 13:46:00 +0000 > > > José Iván López González wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/24/21 09:11, josef Reidinger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And here is gist with all screenshots comparing both bottom and centered approach - https://gist.github.com/jreidinger/a33f72b7b859a2af6599cdbf9a1a485b > > > > > > > > IMHO, the centered version looks much better in ncurses than in QT > > > > because it expands the whole dialog width. I suggest to do the same for > > > > the QT version. > > > > > > Thanks for feedback, I worry there is no easy way to switch layout (at least not see it in https://github.com/libyui/libyui/blob/master/libyui/src/YWizard.h ), but I plan to try to close and reopen window in simple screen in QT. I hope blink will be really small. > > > > > > > > > > > And here is video with that attempt in QT which opens wizard with whole width. https://youtu.be/ydgpF-agszQ > > Feel free to comment. I am not sure if it is better or not. > > > > Any chance we can see that with the SUSE theme? Without the left sidebar the effect might not be so bad. > > > > -- > > Ken > > > > Yes, I can try it with SLE15-SP4 which use SUSE theme. Will create video today. > Josef

And here it is ( sorry for taking so long, but video editing take some time and I hit some strange issue with mirroring of latest SLE build ): https://youtu.be/H-IrMonji14

Thanks for trying that out. Unfortunately, it doesn't feel less broken than with the sidebar. As nice as it would be, I don't think we should go this route given the results.

-- Ken

Do you have suggestion what else to try? I can play a bit with code and create another video recording. Josef