[yast-devel] Brainstorming Sessions
Moin, I've discussed this with some of you already. Anyway, for the rest... The problem definition is this: We often have something we'd like to discuss with others and get a quick response. At least I have these quite often. Mailing-list works only partly as people have too much time for their response and sometimes do not respond at all, so quick and still good solution that could be made in 30 minutes takes two weeks. There is a simple solution: Brainstorming - that's proven to bring fast and good ideas (please, +1 if you are interested, -1 if not). How to implement it with distributed team? We have plenty of possibilities: phone conference (people only hear you and you can't share your, e.g., drawings), video conference Orange/Rome (only internal, e.g., Ancor can't join), G+ Hangout (some of you don't like using Google), Internal web-based audio/video system (not tested by me). Other ideas welcomed! How this could work? I'd book some time in everyone's groupwise (1 hour max per week) including a conference room with video system (if needed). Then everyone could mention their theme on the weekly call or via mailing-list and when will the brainstorming happen. Everyone could decide whether to join (or not). Would it help with your issues? It would definitely work for me. Would it also work for you? Other ideas? How is this being done in other teams or in other companies? Thanks Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/27/2015 03:59 PM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Moin,
I've discussed this with some of you already. Anyway, for the rest...
The problem definition is this: We often have something we'd like to discuss with others and get a quick response. At least I have these quite often. Mailing-list works only partly as people have too much time for their response and sometimes do not respond at all, so quick and still good solution that could be made in 30 minutes takes two weeks.
There is a simple solution: Brainstorming - that's proven to bring fast and good ideas (please, +1 if you are interested, -1 if not).
How to implement it with distributed team? We have plenty of possibilities: phone conference (people only hear you and you can't share your, e.g., drawings), video conference Orange/Rome (only internal, e.g., Ancor can't join), G+ Hangout (some of you don't like using Google), Internal web-based audio/video system (not tested by me). Other ideas welcomed!
Google Hangout works like a charm. I use it every day with highly distributed teams. Drawback: the big brother. We also have a SUSE internal instance of OpenMeetings at http://137.65.69.121:5080/openmeetings/ Drawback: it requires Flash. Performance is not as good as Hangouts. We could also install a Janus server and have something like this http://janus.conf.meetecho.com/videomcutest.html I based my last Hackweek project[1] on Janus and we did some test calls with pretty decent results. We would have full control on the UI (it's just some javascript). Drawback: we need a machine in NUE or PRG to host the server.
How this could work? I'd book some time in everyone's groupwise (1 hour max per week) including a conference room with video system (if needed). Then everyone could mention their theme on the weekly call or via mailing-list and when will the brainstorming happen. Everyone could decide whether to join (or not).
Would it help with your issues?
Yes, I think so.
It would definitely work for me. Would it also work for you? Other ideas? How is this being done in other teams or in other companies?
In the former openSUSE team we used Google Hangout in a quite spontaneous way. We had (and still have) a fixed virtual room (actually a hangout event planned for 2018) and we used the diary stand-up meeting or IRC to coordinate meetings there whenever needed. It was the logical and natural step after using the same room everyday for the stand-up meetings. Cheers. [1] https://hackweek.suse.com/11/projects/248 -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 28.1.2015 09:04, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 01/27/2015 03:59 PM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Moin,
I've discussed this with some of you already. Anyway, for the rest...
The problem definition is this: We often have something we'd like to discuss with others and get a quick response. At least I have these quite often. Mailing-list works only partly as people have too much time for their response and sometimes do not respond at all, so quick and still good solution that could be made in 30 minutes takes two weeks.
There is a simple solution: Brainstorming - that's proven to bring fast and good ideas (please, +1 if you are interested, -1 if not).
How to implement it with distributed team? We have plenty of possibilities: phone conference (people only hear you and you can't share your, e.g., drawings), video conference Orange/Rome (only internal, e.g., Ancor can't join), G+ Hangout (some of you don't like using Google), Internal web-based audio/video system (not tested by me). Other ideas welcomed!
Google Hangout works like a charm. I use it every day with highly distributed teams. Drawback: the big brother.
Maybe I'm wrong but we work on an upstream project and everything we do is publicly visible, so no big deal from my POV.
We also have a SUSE internal instance of OpenMeetings at http://137.65.69.121:5080/openmeetings/ Drawback: it requires Flash. Performance is not as good as Hangouts.
Yep, we have tested this with Ancor and, for instance Hangout scales the video according the current line bandwidth, in OM you have to set the video size. On the other hand, OM has quite "nice" playground for presentations, pictures, drawing, etc. That might be useful.
We could also install a Janus server and have something like this http://janus.conf.meetecho.com/videomcutest.html I based my last Hackweek project[1] on Janus and we did some test calls with pretty decent results. We would have full control on the UI (it's just some javascript). Drawback: we need a machine in NUE or PRG to host the server.
We have a machine in PRG but do we want to maintain our own solution when someone could do it for us? I myself prefer using some whatever-party's tool to setting up and maintaining our own - everything takes time. That's the same as maintaining our own Jenkins. Yes, we have nodes, but that's it.
How this could work? I'd book some time in everyone's groupwise (1 hour max per week) including a conference room with video system (if needed). Then everyone could mention their theme on the weekly call or via mailing-list and when will the brainstorming happen. Everyone could decide whether to join (or not).
Would it help with your issues?
Yes, I think so.
Good, so let's take the best of it :)
It would definitely work for me. Would it also work for you? Other ideas? How is this being done in other teams or in other companies?
In the former openSUSE team we used Google Hangout in a quite spontaneous way. We had (and still have) a fixed virtual room (actually a hangout event planned for 2018) and we used the diary stand-up meeting or IRC to coordinate meetings there whenever needed. It was the logical and natural step after using the same room everyday for the stand-up meetings.
Fixed virtual room in Hangout? How? That could be helpful for Yast team as well. BTW, seeing each other in our status calls would be nice too :) Thanks! Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management (Yast) Team Leader SLE Department, SUSE Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/29/2015 11:19 AM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
On 28.1.2015 09:04, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
Google Hangout works like a charm. I use it every day with highly distributed teams. Drawback: the big brother.
Maybe I'm wrong but we work on an upstream project and everything we do is publicly visible, so no big deal from my POV.
I agree.
We also have a SUSE internal instance of OpenMeetings at http://137.65.69.121:5080/openmeetings/ Drawback: it requires Flash. Performance is not as good as Hangouts.
Yep, we have tested this with Ancor and, for instance Hangout scales the video according the current line bandwidth, in OM you have to set the video size. On the other hand, OM has quite "nice" playground for presentations, pictures, drawing, etc. That might be useful.
In my experience, those whiteboard thingies are not really that useful. Google Hangouts also has "apps" on top you can use for drawing and all that, but... On the other hand, sharing the screen is often quite useful. That's something you can do with Hangouts. Probably with OpenMeetings as well.
We could also install a Janus server and have something like this http://janus.conf.meetecho.com/videomcutest.html I based my last Hackweek project[1] on Janus and we did some test calls with pretty decent results. We would have full control on the UI (it's just some javascript). Drawback: we need a machine in NUE or PRG to host the server.
We have a machine in PRG but do we want to maintain our own solution when someone could do it for us? I myself prefer using some whatever-party's tool to setting up and maintaining our own - everything takes time. That's the same as maintaining our own Jenkins. Yes, we have nodes, but that's it.
I agree, but I wanted to offer a flash-free internal alternative. I think there is also an internal instance of Big Blue Button (which also uses flash, anyways), but I'm not sure.
[...]
In the former openSUSE team we used Google Hangout in a quite spontaneous way. We had (and still have) a fixed virtual room (actually a hangout event planned for 2018) and we used the diary stand-up meeting or IRC to coordinate meetings there whenever needed. It was the logical and natural step after using the same room everyday for the stand-up meetings.
Fixed virtual room in Hangout? How? That could be helpful for Yast team as well.
As mentioned, the trick is to create an G+ online event in a distant future. The URL of the event is permanent and includes the link to enter the hangout room. If you invite some people to the event, they will not even need to bookmark the url, since it will appear in their list of upcoming events on G+. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 01/29/2015 11:19 AM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
BTW, seeing each other in our status calls would be nice too :)
It would help to remove from my mind the idea that Pepa is always wearing a green helmet at work and Lada is always staring at me from the darkness like if I owed him money. ;-) Cheers. PS.- For those who didn't get it https://github.com/jreidinger https://github.com/lslezak -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Dne 30.1.2015 v 11:42 Ancor Gonzalez Sosa napsal(a):
On 01/29/2015 11:19 AM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
BTW, seeing each other in our status calls would be nice too :)
It would help to remove from my mind the idea that Pepa is always wearing a green helmet at work and Lada is always staring at me from the darkness like if I owed him money. ;-)
Ok, I synced it with my G+ photo, hopefully better ;-)
Cheers.
PS.- For those who didn't get it https://github.com/jreidinger https://github.com/lslezak
-- -- Ladislav Slezák Appliance department / YaST Developer Lihovarská 1060/12 190 00 Prague 9 / Czech Republic tel: +420 284 028 960 lslezak@suse.com SUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
How to implement it with distributed team? We have plenty of possibilities: phone conference (people only hear you and you can't share your, e.g., drawings), video conference Orange/Rome (only internal, e.g., Ancor can't join), G+ Hangout (some of you don't like using Google), Internal web-based audio/video system (not tested by me). Other ideas welcomed!
If you do this please use some widespread platform that actually works and is easy to use. So Hangout seems a good choice to me. Don't get drawn into any google bad/good argument here. I see no need to go for an internal solution. We're unlikely to discuss any top secret business critical things there, I guess. Steffen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
participants (4)
-
Ancor Gonzalez Sosa -
Ladislav Slezak -
Lukas Ocilka -
Steffen Winterfeldt