[yast-devel] High-Contrast Installer
With my vision continuing to get worse, I notice with each new installation, I have more difficulty reading the installation screens. This is an accessibility issue. It would be nice if we could provide high-contrast option as well as font size change in the Video Mode list. Is there anything we can do to work on this in the near future? I'd like to be able to continue to use openSUSE for the long term. :-) Text mode is available but again, limited ability to see well without good high contrast. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.06.2012 16:58, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:
Text mode is available but again, limited ability to see well without good high contrast.
Hi, I have added an additional color scheme to the text mode YaST which you can try out. The scheme is activated by setting Y2NCURSES_COLOR_THEME="highcontrast" in /etc/sysconfig/yast2. I have taken "mono" as a base and have changed the background to a light grey. yast2-ncurses packages for 12.1 and Factory are here: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=yast2-ncurses&project=home%3... Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 13:29 +0200, Gabriele Mohr wrote:
Hi Gabi, Thanks for quickly looking into this. I downloaded and enabled high contrast per your instructions and see it works. However, I think perhaps we should add one more theme "High Contrast-Inverted." Your high contrast theme is mainly white, which is good for some low-vision people, but not all. Some are extremely sensitive to light stuff, including me. The closest "accessible" theme I have tested is rxvt. It's a good high-contrast inverted theme except that the background is (I think) grey? The grey gives off some light and makes it a bit hard. Although the description for rxvt says "black-yellow-red." If we could fix rxvt to be either actual dark black background or clone rxvt to a new theme (high-contrast-inverted), it would be perfect (for me anyway.) By the way, we need to add high contrast to the sysconfig file list of options. Should I be opening a bug report to track this topic or is discussing here on ML fine? This fixes YaST-ncurses for normal usage, and I very much appreciate it. But doesn't address the main concern I raised which is the installation process itself. In that situation, because there is so much green and white, it becomes too bright using the graphical installer. I'd like to be able to continue to use the graphical installer, but in an inverted high contrast mode. While I suppose we could switch to text mode, I don't think it would be a good approach for standard users to have to figure out to edit the sysconfig file for accessible options. There needs to be an easier way to go about that. I don't know if that means we need to request additional artwork templates or if that means some technical process that automatically inverts everything. Whatever I can do, including advising with artwork team, let me know how I can contribute here from a non-coder standpoint. :-) One more thing I'd like to raise. While I know it might get complicated figuring out how to invert the graphical installer, it would be more aesthetically pleasing in the long run for low-vision users. A few months ago, I was addressing a visually-impaired audience and in my talk I was saying "I'd like to see more websites aimed at low-vision audiences not sacrifice beauty for functionality." I was surprised that half the room got up and roared with appaluse. It seems many out there are frustrated that they encounter a very boring text-like website (or screen) instead of something just as beautiful as what sighted people can see. Thanks again. You rock for creating a great first step so quickly! Bryen
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Am 20.06.2012 16:22, schrieb Björn Esser:
Hi, of course, I will put the new themes to libyui-ncurses on github. I only wanted to wait for a positive response. I will check it in to libyui-ncurses openSUSE-12_2 branch and provide a package for 12.2. Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.06.2012 15:44, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:
Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed June 20 2012 15:44:28 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 11:54 +0200, Thomas Goettlicher wrote:
Wow, I never knew that option existed. This reminds me of recently how someone, who uses openSUSE heavily, excitedly announced his discovery of the F9 audio function for installation. I knew it existed for a few years, because I read an announcement about it in a blog post. Not because there was anything definitive/descriptive within the installer telling me its there. Though its not 100% accessible to do this, what if we added another option in the bottom of the installer start screen, like "List of keyboard functions"? Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/21/2012 04:28 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
Yes, it seems we have a lot of useful functionality that were not advertised enough and thus not used and tested. I'm definitely at least for documenting them at the installation start-up menu. Bryen, could you paste the blog post URL here, please? Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Appliances Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 10:50 +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Sadly, I have no recollection who blogged it. I believe it was someone from the YaST team and it was several years ago when it got announced. Which proves your point. if you weren't there to read some blog about some cool feature that day, you'll never know it in the future without some indication of its existence in the actual tool you are using. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri June 22 2012 16:49:31 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
Are you talking about Steffen's blog on speech support in the bootloader? See: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/11/06/bootloader-gets-chattier/ Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-06-22 at 16:58 +0200, Thomas Goettlicher wrote:
Who needs google search when we have Thomas? :-D I think that's the one I recall. Yes. Note, myself I don't use F9 as this kind of audio is worthless for my Deaf ears. I tested it once a while ago just to hear the noise and say "oh cool, it works." But is useful for others with vision impairment and other things like dyslexia. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 14.06.2012 16:58, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:
Text mode is available but again, limited ability to see well without good high contrast.
Hi, I have added an additional color scheme to the text mode YaST which you can try out. The scheme is activated by setting Y2NCURSES_COLOR_THEME="highcontrast" in /etc/sysconfig/yast2. I have taken "mono" as a base and have changed the background to a light grey. yast2-ncurses packages for 12.1 and Factory are here: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=yast2-ncurses&project=home%3... Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 13:29 +0200, Gabriele Mohr wrote:
Hi Gabi, Thanks for quickly looking into this. I downloaded and enabled high contrast per your instructions and see it works. However, I think perhaps we should add one more theme "High Contrast-Inverted." Your high contrast theme is mainly white, which is good for some low-vision people, but not all. Some are extremely sensitive to light stuff, including me. The closest "accessible" theme I have tested is rxvt. It's a good high-contrast inverted theme except that the background is (I think) grey? The grey gives off some light and makes it a bit hard. Although the description for rxvt says "black-yellow-red." If we could fix rxvt to be either actual dark black background or clone rxvt to a new theme (high-contrast-inverted), it would be perfect (for me anyway.) By the way, we need to add high contrast to the sysconfig file list of options. Should I be opening a bug report to track this topic or is discussing here on ML fine? This fixes YaST-ncurses for normal usage, and I very much appreciate it. But doesn't address the main concern I raised which is the installation process itself. In that situation, because there is so much green and white, it becomes too bright using the graphical installer. I'd like to be able to continue to use the graphical installer, but in an inverted high contrast mode. While I suppose we could switch to text mode, I don't think it would be a good approach for standard users to have to figure out to edit the sysconfig file for accessible options. There needs to be an easier way to go about that. I don't know if that means we need to request additional artwork templates or if that means some technical process that automatically inverts everything. Whatever I can do, including advising with artwork team, let me know how I can contribute here from a non-coder standpoint. :-) One more thing I'd like to raise. While I know it might get complicated figuring out how to invert the graphical installer, it would be more aesthetically pleasing in the long run for low-vision users. A few months ago, I was addressing a visually-impaired audience and in my talk I was saying "I'd like to see more websites aimed at low-vision audiences not sacrifice beauty for functionality." I was surprised that half the room got up and roared with appaluse. It seems many out there are frustrated that they encounter a very boring text-like website (or screen) instead of something just as beautiful as what sighted people can see. Thanks again. You rock for creating a great first step so quickly! Bryen
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello Gabi! How about putting the new color-themes in libyui-ncurses on github, so we can have them in split-off libyui, too? BR, Björn -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAk/h3I4ACgkQ3u1SIc8s7PVkVgD/fVNbnUelTGAK+BaUrBOqJpJe 7L5/sroLY/it0SzZCk0A/RPcLb5c2I8iad4x/8g5AUluGbKsUSDCcK9y3+qwWP/s =YYqK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.06.2012 16:22, schrieb Björn Esser:
Hi, of course, I will put the new themes to libyui-ncurses on github. I only wanted to wait for a positive response. I will check it in to libyui-ncurses openSUSE-12_2 branch and provide a package for 12.2. Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.06.2012 15:44, schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:
Greetings Gabi -- Gabriele Mohr SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5 Tel: +49 911 740 53 362 90409 Nürnberg Email: gs@suse.de ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed June 20 2012 15:44:28 Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
Cheers, Thomas -- Thomas Goettlicher SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
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Thomas Goettlicher