Fwd: Moving from Freenode to Libera.Chat
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there. Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved. What should we do? Cheers. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Moving from Freenode to Libera.Chat Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 12:04:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Gerald Pfeifer <gp@suse.com> To: opensuse-project@opensuse.org, factory@lists.opensuse.org Hi everyone, as some of you noticed, lately there've been challenges around Freenode, the IRC network that has been home to a number of openSUSE channels for years. See, for example, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-... https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ Approached by several of you we discussed this with those, the board, and the weekly release meeting. There is consensus to move our channels to Libera.Chat ( https://libera.chat ), a new network many other projects are migrating to as well. With help from Antonio and Sasi I already registered the openSUSE project with Libera.Chat (which by itself is not a move yet) and Marcus R. and others are ready to execute the move. The plan of record is to move quickly. If you have any concerns or questions, please advise as soon as possible. Likewise if you support. Thanks, Gerald PS: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/4 publicly tracks this matter on the openSUSE side; feel free to chime in there. -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp@suse.com>, CTO @SUSE + chair @openSUSE
On 5/27/21 12:03 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.
Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.
What should we do?
I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps. Regards, Iván -- José Iván López González YaST Team at SUSE LINUX GmbH IRC: jilopez
On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 08:32 +0100, José Iván López González wrote:
On 5/27/21 12:03 PM, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.
Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.
What should we do?
I have no strong opinion,
Same here.
but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.
Agree
Regards,
Iván
-- David Díaz YaST Team at SUSE LINUX GmbH IRC: dgdavid
On 5/28/21 9:32 AM, José Iván López González wrote:
I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.
Yes, that would be a reason. I'm fine with that too. Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Mgmt & Consulting Team Leader & YaST Product Owner SLE Department, SUSE Linux
On 2021-05-28 09:32, José Iván López González wrote:
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.
Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.
What should we do?
I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.
We are not part of the community? We are just executing somebody else's orders? Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer <shundhammer@suse.de> YaST Developer SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
On Mon, 2021-05-31 at 12:09 +0200, Stefan Hundhammer wrote:
On 2021-05-28 09:32, José Iván López González wrote:
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.
Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.
What should we do?
I have no strong opinion, but if the community has decided to move, then I guess it makes sense to follow the same steps.
We are not part of the community?
Yes, we're. At least, I think so.
We are just executing somebody else's orders?
Not at all :) But when I have no strong opinion I have no problem following the majority "decision" and see what happens. And, honestly, not having something against a proposal makes more difficult to discuss why not follow it.
Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer <shundhammer@suse.de> YaST Developer
SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
-- David Díaz YaST Team at SUSE LINUX GmbH IRC: dgdavid
On Thu, 27 May 2021 13:03:34 +0200 Ancor Gonzalez Sosa <ancor@suse.de> wrote:
I know there is already a #yast channel at libera. But so far I have never seen more than 5-8 people there.
Now it seems it's kind of official that most openSUSE channels are being moved.
What should we do?
Cheers.
To be honest after reading
I see that move as a bit of over-reacting. I do not see so far any hostile actions ( or I simple do not notice it due to my years of training for ignoring any advertisement ). But my opinion does not matter, as for me the most important part is where our contributors will be. If they do not want to use freenode then I am fine to move. I even do not mind to change communication channel how to contact us if it helps with better interaction with other yast contributors as yast suse contributors can use anything, but without non-suse contributors it is point-less to stay on freenode. So for me the question should be for external contributors and not for suse part of yast team as we can use even rocketchat or any other fancy tool suse provide internally. Josef
Hello, Dne 31. 05. 21 v 23:38 josef Reidinger napsal(a):
To be honest after reading
I see that move as a bit of over-reacting.
Yes, it reminds me a similar reaction when Microsoft acquired GitHub. Many projects in panic quickly moved to Gitlab or elsewhere, Gitlab had some difficulties to manage the unexpected load and traffic at the beginning.... And today? GitHub is still a great place for FOSS projects (IMHO one of the best), they are improving it, adding new features, etc... Personally I'm not against the move, on the other hand there is no need for rush. We can just wait and see. Ladislav -- Ladislav Slezák YaST Developer SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. Corso IIa Křižíkova 148/34 18600 Praha 8
On 2021-06-01 13:31, Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Yes, it reminds me a similar reaction when Microsoft acquired GitHub. Many projects in panic quickly moved to Gitlab or elsewhere, Gitlab had some difficulties to manage the unexpected load and traffic at the beginning....
And today? GitHub is still a great place for FOSS projects (IMHO one of the best), they are improving it, adding new features, etc...
+1
Personally I'm not against the move, on the other hand there is no need for rush. We can just wait and see.
+1 Also, please think about people who know about our IRC channel on freenode because they have been there before or because they read about it on any of our many web pages and wikis; they might not all follow the daily hacker news and not be aware of any movement towards a different place. They will simply try our old #yast channel on freenode IRC, not find us there, and have no clue where to find us now. I know it's trendy in the Open Source community to be a moving target, but that breaks established links and social contacts all the time. It's like our Wikis full of information, then being abandoned, and people simply never know which is the current one or if the one they bookmarked is still the right one or where to find the current one. If there is a factual need to move for hard reasons, we'll have to, of course. But let's please not do that for the sake of virtue signalling. It would be throwing away more than a setting in each of our IRC clients; we'd throw a good part of our community over board as well. Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer <shundhammer@suse.de> YaST Developer SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
On 2021-06-01 13:31, Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Yes, it reminds me a similar reaction when Microsoft acquired GitHub. Many projects in panic quickly moved to Gitlab or elsewhere, Gitlab had some difficulties to manage the unexpected load and traffic at the beginning....
And today? GitHub is still a great place for FOSS projects (IMHO one of the best), they are improving it, adding new features, etc...
+1
Personally I'm not against the move, on the other hand there is no need for rush. We can just wait and see.
+1 Also, please think about people who know about our IRC channel on freenode because they have been there before or because they read about it on any of our many web pages and wikis; they might not all follow the daily hacker news and not be aware of any movement towards a different place. They will simply try our old #yast channel on freenode IRC, not find us there, and have no clue where to find us now. I know it's trendy in the Open Source community to be a moving target, but that breaks established links and social contacts all the time. It's like our Wikis full of information, then being abandoned, and people simply never know which is the current one or if the one they bookmarked is still the right one or where to find the current one. If there is a factual need to move for hard reasons, we'll have to, of course. But let's please not do that for the sake of virtue signalling. It would be throwing away more than a setting in each of our IRC clients; we'd throw a good part of our community over board as well. Kind regards -- Stefan Hundhammer <shundhammer@suse.de> YaST Developer SUSE Linux GmbH GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton; HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
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Ancor Gonzalez Sosa -
David Díaz -
josef Reidinger -
José Iván López González -
Ladislav Slezak -
Lukas Ocilka -
Stefan Hundhammer