[yast-devel] Online updates button in 15.1?
Hi, In 15.1 we wanted to switch to using NetworkManager by default for all desktop installations, replacing the not so obvious magic that only uses NetworkManager when installing on a Laptop. Only the Server and Transactional Server installations should keep wicked. Furthermore, since SLE uses roles for such things, Richard volunteered to rework Leap's control.xml using roles in Leap too. The hope was to get rid of the desktop_roles code too. So far so good: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/759914#step/system_role/1 However, now we lost the ability to install with online repos enabled. In 15.0 there was a button for that in the desktop selection: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/678918#step/installer_desktopselection/1 In SLE that is covered when registering. There's a popup that asks whether to enable online repos: https://openqa.suse.de/tests/2084621#step/scc_registration/6 Since Leap doesn't use registration that popup doesn't exist there. So now I wonder what alternatives we have. I'd rather like to avoid introducing this ugly screen again: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/302627#step/installation_mode/1 So any ideas how to get the feature back? Would it be possible to add the "Configure Online Repositories" button on the role selection dialog? Or maybe have the popup of SLE when the system can reach download.o.o, just without prior registration? What's easier code wise? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Dne 24. 09. 18 v 15:51 Ludwig Nussel napsal(a):
So now I wonder what alternatives we have. I'd rather like to avoid introducing this ugly screen again: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/302627#step/installation_mode/1
Ah, this screen is really ugly, in the past these options were part of another dialog but it was dropped so we created this ugly workaround as they did not fit anywhere.
So any ideas how to get the feature back? Would it be possible to add the "Configure Online Repositories" button on the role selection dialog?
Well, everything is possible. ;-) But currently this dialog has a clean design and is generic, it works in SLE, openSUSE... There are no workarounds, no exceptions or hacks. I'm not keen on adding anything not strictly related to roles and specific only for one product. If we add this then sooner or later someone comes with another "feature" request in this dialog... We could add a new option/section into the installation overview dialog [1]. IIRC we already had an add-on section there in the past. But the problem with roles is that some additional roles might be provided via the online repositories so they must be added *before* the roles dialog (or at least integrated into it). If we added the online repos in the overview dialog then you would need to go back to the roles selection and then forward. Or we could display the roles dialog again if a new role is found and allow to change it. But this not user friendly. Before the roles selection dialog there is only the "welcome" screen which is already quite crowded. There are widgets for language, keyboard, keyboard test, license, license translations... Adding one more is probably not an option. In SLE there is an extra add-on dialog [2], in openSUSE it contains "Community Repositories" option which loads the repositories from XML [3]. This list already contains the online and updates repos plus some more (e.g. nVidia drivers). On the other hand that more complicated and less intuitive than a single "Use Online Repositories" checkbox.
Or maybe have the popup of SLE when the system can reach download.o.o, just without prior registration?
Although I do not like popups much this would be an acceptable case. So the possibilities are: 1) New option in welcome screen 2) A popup displayed after the welcome screen (only when download.o.o is reachable) 3) Additional full "addons" step (like in the SLE) 4) New option in the roles dialog 5) Additional "addons" section in the installation overview My comments: 1) The welcome screen is already crowded, we should not add more there 2) This looks OK and is similar to the SLE solution 3) This provides more features but is more difficult to use and less intuitive 4) Breaks the design and makes it more complex 5) User unfriendly, difficult to use So in the end the possible solutions are 2) or 3), it depends if we prefer simple UI ("Use online repositories?" popup) or full featured addon management which is on the other hand more difficult to use. Opinions? Other ideas?
What's easier code wise?
I guess 3) would be just a matter of modifying the control.xml, but 2) should not be difficult to implement. It depends whether the user should select the repositories to add from the XML [3] or we automatically select them without asking (which ones?). The user selection is already implemented, the automatic selection not. But that should be easier. Ladislav [1] https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/759914#step/installation_overview_before/2 [2] https://openqa.suse.de/tests/2084621#step/addon_products_sle/10 [3] https://github.com/yast/skelcd-control-openSUSE/blob/master/control/control.... -- -- Best Regards Ladislav Slezák Yast Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: lslezak@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Ladislav Slezak schrieb:
Dne 24. 09. 18 v 15:51 Ludwig Nussel napsal(a):
So now I wonder what alternatives we have. I'd rather like to avoid introducing this ugly screen again: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/302627#step/installation_mode/1
Ah, this screen is really ugly, in the past these options were part of another dialog but it was dropped so we created this ugly workaround as they did not fit anywhere.
So any ideas how to get the feature back? Would it be possible to add the "Configure Online Repositories" button on the role selection dialog?
Well, everything is possible. ;-)
But currently this dialog has a clean design and is generic, it works in SLE, openSUSE... There are no workarounds, no exceptions or hacks. I'm not keen on adding anything not strictly related to roles and specific only for one product. If we add this then sooner or later someone comes with another "feature" request in this dialog... [...] In SLE there is an extra add-on dialog [2], in openSUSE it contains "Community Repositories" option which loads the repositories from XML [3]. This list already contains the online and updates repos plus some more (e.g. nVidia drivers).
I'm not sure if that screen is useful enough in SLE to warrant having it there always either. Maybe if we find a way to hide in an Expert lane in the SLE installer we could use the same lane in openSUSE too?
On the other hand that more complicated and less intuitive than a single "Use Online Repositories" checkbox.
Or maybe have the popup of SLE when the system can reach download.o.o, just without prior registration?
Although I do not like popups much this would be an acceptable case.
So the possibilities are:
1) New option in welcome screen 2) A popup displayed after the welcome screen (only when download.o.o is reachable) 3) Additional full "addons" step (like in the SLE) 4) New option in the roles dialog 5) Additional "addons" section in the installation overview
My comments:
1) The welcome screen is already crowded, we should not add more there 2) This looks OK and is similar to the SLE solution 3) This provides more features but is more difficult to use and less intuitive 4) Breaks the design and makes it more complex 5) User unfriendly, difficult to use
So in the end the possible solutions are 2) or 3), it depends if we prefer simple UI ("Use online repositories?" popup) or full featured addon management which is on the other hand more difficult to use.
Opinions? Other ideas?
What's easier code wise?
I guess 3) would be just a matter of modifying the control.xml, but 2) should not be difficult to implement.
I think the full addons dialog ie 3) is too crowded and not useful enough to display by default (anyone using SLP besides us?).
It depends whether the user should select the repositories to add from the XML [3] or we automatically select them without asking (which ones?). The user selection is already implemented, the automatic selection not. But that should be easier.
How did the previous method with the checkbox do it? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
Dne 11. 10. 18 v 11:36 Ladislav Slezak napsal(a):
1) New option in welcome screen 2) A popup displayed after the welcome screen (only when download.o.o is reachable) 3) Additional full "addons" step (like in the SLE) 4) New option in the roles dialog 5) Additional "addons" section in the installation overview
We've discussed (locally) these possibilities listed above and we came to a conclusion that the best would be to use a dialog that we already have in upgrade: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/785312#step/upgrade_select_opensuse/1 and we'd like to put it between Welcome Screen and System Role. Pros - The dialog already exists and works - It's know to users - It does exactly what's wanted Cons - One more dialog - ? Ideally we don't want to add "another unrelated check-box" to the System Role screen, especially as online repos could possible contain some roles too and the dialog is also already crowded enough (with enough roles). Opinions? Thx Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Systems Management Team Leader & YaST Product Owner SLE Department, SUSE Linux 🌲 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ☂ Handle with care - Your reply can be stored in the cloud ⚠ IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please, notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies of thereof. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: yast-devel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: yast-devel+owner@opensuse.org
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