X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 available
Hi The X.Org Foundation is currently preparing a second maintenance release for version 6.8 of their implementation of the X Window System. The code is presently in the beta testing phase. SUSE will prepare update packages for the latest SUSE Linux version as soon as this release (6.8.2) becomes available. In our efforts to work closely with the X.Org Foundation to make their software even better we would like to invite those users of SUSE Linux who are interested in the X Window System to participate in this beta test. This will give the beta version of 6.8.2 a wider exposure, more testing and allow our users to identify and report problems on their hardware early so they may be fixed for the release. To simplify testing I've built X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 and uploaded them for download to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.8.2-RC3/ * Installation instructions can be found in the README (also in this directory). * In case something goes wrong and you need to revert to the original X.Org 6.8.1 RPMs for SuSE 9.2, simply remove the new RPMs with rpm -e <pkg-name> --nodeps and install the old ones from your DVD/CDs with rpm -Uhv <pkg-name> again (RPMs are in /suse/<arch> on the DVD/CD). A package list is in the README. * Notes for testers: Various drivers, modules and other infrastructure got significant updates and need to be thoroughly tested by the community, including: - "radeon" video driver - "nv" (nvidia) video driver - ATI Rage128 video driver - ATI R100 video driver - Intel i810 video driver - Postscript print driver - Xprint infrastructure update - Mesa (OpenGL) update to release 6.2 - libXpm security update (CAN-2004-0914) ... and many many other things... * The full changelog for the X11R6.8.x stable branch can be found under http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/ChangeLog?only_with_tag=XORG-6_8-branch&view=log * SuSE specific changes since RC1: - reintroduced xf86/xshared/xdevel/xfntscl Provides for SuSE <= 9.2 * SuSE specific changes since RC2: - added support for Intel 915GM (please give it a try; use "sax2 -r -m 0=i810" for configuration) - added compose cache (details for testing will follow) - fixed one powersave related problem - no longer set a blue background for kdm and gdm - xorg-x11-server requires now xorg-x11 (Xserver requires fonts) - no longer disable RenderAccel in radeon driver - Xserver modules are now stripped - added support for about 20 known and up to about 30 unkown nvidia Devices (use "sax2 -r -m 0=nv" for configuration) * Feedback can be discussed on this list as we don't have an open Bugzilla. Please don't contact me directly or thru the regular SUSE feedback channel. I'll try to discuss the feedback on this list. Please note that there won't be any installation or advanced support for these test packages. Should you experience any problems please refer to the above instructions how to revert back to the version of X that has been shipped with SUSE Linux. Please also note that if you download and install a test version we strongly recommend to update to the released version of 6.8.2 once it becomes available. Regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:57:10PM +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
To simplify testing I've built X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 and uploaded them for download to
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.8.2-RC3/
That directory doesn't exist. -- San Francisco, CA
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 04:17:18AM -0800, Michael Nelson wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:57:10PM +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
To simplify testing I've built X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 and uploaded them for download to
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.8.2-RC3/
That directory doesn't exist.
Sorry, my fault. Sync is done now. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
When I install SuSe 9.2 on a MSI K8T Neo the installation is halted and the system just clocks when the X.Org 6.8.1 scalable fonts gets to 100%. Any fixes? -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Dirsch [mailto:sndirsch@suse.de] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 6:57 AM To: suse-xfree86@suse.com Subject: [suse-xfree86] X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 available Hi The X.Org Foundation is currently preparing a second maintenance release for version 6.8 of their implementation of the X Window System. The code is presently in the beta testing phase. SUSE will prepare update packages for the latest SUSE Linux version as soon as this release (6.8.2) becomes available. In our efforts to work closely with the X.Org Foundation to make their software even better we would like to invite those users of SUSE Linux who are interested in the X Window System to participate in this beta test. This will give the beta version of 6.8.2 a wider exposure, more testing and allow our users to identify and report problems on their hardware early so they may be fixed for the release. To simplify testing I've built X.Org 6.8.2 RC3 RPMs for SuSE 9.2 and uploaded them for download to ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.8.2-RC3/ * Installation instructions can be found in the README (also in this directory). * In case something goes wrong and you need to revert to the original X.Org 6.8.1 RPMs for SuSE 9.2, simply remove the new RPMs with rpm -e <pkg-name> --nodeps and install the old ones from your DVD/CDs with rpm -Uhv <pkg-name> again (RPMs are in /suse/<arch> on the DVD/CD). A package list is in the README. * Notes for testers: Various drivers, modules and other infrastructure got significant updates and need to be thoroughly tested by the community, including: - "radeon" video driver - "nv" (nvidia) video driver - ATI Rage128 video driver - ATI R100 video driver - Intel i810 video driver - Postscript print driver - Xprint infrastructure update - Mesa (OpenGL) update to release 6.2 - libXpm security update (CAN-2004-0914) ... and many many other things... * The full changelog for the X11R6.8.x stable branch can be found under http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/ChangeLog?only_with_tag=XORG-6_8-branch&v iew=log * SuSE specific changes since RC1: - reintroduced xf86/xshared/xdevel/xfntscl Provides for SuSE <= 9.2 * SuSE specific changes since RC2: - added support for Intel 915GM (please give it a try; use "sax2 -r -m 0=i810" for configuration) - added compose cache (details for testing will follow) - fixed one powersave related problem - no longer set a blue background for kdm and gdm - xorg-x11-server requires now xorg-x11 (Xserver requires fonts) - no longer disable RenderAccel in radeon driver - Xserver modules are now stripped - added support for about 20 known and up to about 30 unkown nvidia Devices (use "sax2 -r -m 0=nv" for configuration) * Feedback can be discussed on this list as we don't have an open Bugzilla. Please don't contact me directly or thru the regular SUSE feedback channel. I'll try to discuss the feedback on this list. Please note that there won't be any installation or advanced support for these test packages. Should you experience any problems please refer to the above instructions how to revert back to the version of X that has been shipped with SUSE Linux. Please also note that if you download and install a test version we strongly recommend to update to the released version of 6.8.2 once it becomes available. Regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------ -- To unsubscribe check the List-Unsubscribe header For additional commands, email: suse-xfree86-help@suse.com
Hello, Am Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2005 12:57 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
http://cvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/xc/ChangeLog?only_with_tag=XORG-6_8-branch& view=log
* SuSE specific changes since RC1: - reintroduced xf86/xshared/xdevel/xfntscl Provides for SuSE <= 9.2 * SuSE specific changes since RC2: - added support for Intel 915GM (please give it a try; use "sax2 -r -m 0=i810" for configuration) - added compose cache (details for testing will follow) - fixed one powersave related problem - no longer set a blue background for kdm and gdm - xorg-x11-server requires now xorg-x11 (Xserver requires fonts) - no longer disable RenderAccel in radeon driver - Xserver modules are now stripped - added support for about 20 known and up to about 30 unkown nvidia Devices (use "sax2 -r -m 0=nv" for configuration)
I have sice rc2, problems with the mouse cursor an a Dualmonitor configuration. it is a Problem to point some icons or other things. The Dualmonitor config with NVIDIA / KDE is working, only a old Problem wit the loading Icon is back ;). when I start a Programm like Firefox the loading Curor is on the wrong monitor and is "broken" It is also a long loading time. -- MfG / Regards Günther J. Niederwimmer
Hi, the "KERNEL_SOURCE=/usr/src/linux make modules" step from README is failing for me (see below), any idea? Laurent # rpm -qa|grep kernel kernel-default-nongpl-2.6.8-24.10 kernel-um-2.6.8-24.5 kernel-default-2.6.8-24.10 kernel-source-2.6.8-24.10 kernel-docs-2.6.8-24.10 CC [M] /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.o /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c: In function `viadrv_irq_handler': /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:57: warning: passing arg 1 of `readl' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:67: warning: passing arg 2 of `writel' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c: In function `viadrv_acknowledge_irqs': /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:81: warning: passing arg 1 of `readl' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:82: warning: passing arg 2 of `writel' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c: In function `viadrv_driver_irq_preinstall': /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:122: warning: passing arg 1 of `readl' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:126: warning: passing arg 2 of `writel' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c: In function `viadrv_driver_irq_postinstall': /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:139: warning: passing arg 1 of `readl' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:140: warning: passing arg 2 of `writel' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:144: warning: passing arg 2 of `writeb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:145: warning: passing arg 1 of `readb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:145: warning: passing arg 2 of `writeb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c: In function `viadrv_driver_irq_uninstall': /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:159: warning: passing arg 2 of `writeb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:160: warning: passing arg 1 of `readb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:160: warning: passing arg 2 of `writeb' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:162: warning: passing arg 1 of `readl' makes pointer from integer without a cast /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_irq.c:163: warning: passing arg 2 of `writel' makes pointer from integer without a cast CC [M] /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_drv.o CC [M] /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_ds.o CC [M] /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_map.o CC [M] /usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_mm.o /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [/usr/src/kernel-modules/drm/via_mm.o] Error 1 make[1]: *** [_module_/usr/src/kernel-modules/drm] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.8-24.10' make: *** [modules] Error 2
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 07:46:32PM +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
Hi, the "KERNEL_SOURCE=/usr/src/linux make modules" step from README is failing for me (see below), any idea? [...] /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory [...]
Did you run "make prepare-all" in /usr/src/linux before? Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
No that did it, thanks! I suggest you replace in README: pushd /usr/src/linux; rm -f .config; make cloneconfig; popd by pushd /usr/src/linux; rm -f .config; make cloneconfig; make prepare-all; popd Now let's see if the new xorg works :). Laurent On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:01 +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 07:46:32PM +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
Hi, the "KERNEL_SOURCE=/usr/src/linux make modules" step from README is failing for me (see below), any idea? [...] /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory [...]
Did you run "make prepare-all" in /usr/src/linux before?
Stefan
Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:02:44PM +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
No that did it, thanks! I suggest you replace in README:
pushd /usr/src/linux; rm -f .config; make cloneconfig; popd
by
pushd /usr/src/linux; rm -f .config; make cloneconfig; make prepare-all; popd
Yes, that's correct. I wonder why nobody noticed this before. Maybe you were the first trying to enable DRI support ... Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:41 +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
Yes, that's correct. I wonder why nobody noticed this before. Maybe you were the first trying to enable DRI support ...
It was quite hard to download the RPMs for a while after you sent the announce, may be not that many people tried later. Anyway, things seem to be working fine, DRI seems to work for my "ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP)" card (I did not try with the standard 9.2 X packages but on 9.1 I remember it didn't work). When turning on DRI using Yast, at first it didn't seem to be on, then I noticed in Xorg.O.log that X was reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf and Yast was updating /etc/X11/XF86Config, so I copied XF86Config to xorg.conf and then I got DRI. Is it normal? glxgears moved from 330 FPS to 610 FPS (display 1280x1024 24 bits, glxgears left in its small window form for the measurement), is it something reasonable for my card? I also have a "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" but it's on my AMD64 machine so I cannot try your RPMs there, and on my laptop "VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" which I'll try to update later. Hope this helps, Laurent PS: my emacs font changed, and they don't look as good as the previous ones but well...
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:49:19PM +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:41 +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
Yes, that's correct. I wonder why nobody noticed this before. Maybe you were the first trying to enable DRI support ...
It was quite hard to download the RPMs for a while after you sent the announce, may be not that many people tried later.
Anyway, things seem to be working fine, DRI seems to work for my "ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 (AGP)" card (I did not try with the standard 9.2 X packages but on 9.1 I remember it didn't work).
When turning on DRI using Yast, at first it didn't seem to be on, then I noticed in Xorg.O.log that X was reading /etc/X11/xorg.conf and Yast was updating /etc/X11/XF86Config, so I copied XF86Config to xorg.conf and then I got DRI. Is it normal?
Oops. You're right this has changed. For configuration you should better use the new SaX2 now. I'll add this to the README as well. =============== Configuration ------------- Use latest development SaX2 for configuration: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/SaX2/ ===============
glxgears moved from 330 FPS to 610 FPS (display 1280x1024 24 bits, glxgears left in its small window form for the measurement), is it something reasonable for my card?
I think so. Try glxinfo to make sure DRI is enabled ("direct rendering: Yes").
I also have a "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" but it's on my AMD64 machine so I cannot try your RPMs there,
You're the first, who asked for AMD64 RPMs. I'll try to provide them for download as well.
and on my laptop "VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" which I'll try to update later.
Thanks.
PS: my emacs font changed, and they don't look as good as the previous ones but well...
I can't help here. :-( Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 09:25:59PM +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
I also have a "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" but it's on my AMD64 machine so I cannot try your RPMs there,
You're the first, who asked for AMD64 RPMs. I'll try to provide them for download as well.
I've built and uploaded them now. ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/X/Xorg/Xorg-X11R6.8.2-RC3/x86_64/suse92 Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:49 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
I also have a "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" but it's on my AMD64 machine so I cannot try your RPMs there,
I tried the x86_64 RPMs you provided there, no problem and DRI is working, glxgears gives 533 FPS. (Out of curiosity, what FPS do other people get with various card / driver combination?)
and on my laptop "VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" which I'll try to update later.
Works fine as before in VESA BIOS mode, when I select the via driver graphical mode works but I can't go back to console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 I just get a blank screen (I believe this is not a regression and is likely to be the reason I choosed VESA BIOS instead of via at first). On the laptop I used the new SaX2 and did not have to do manual copying, xorg.conf was directly generated. Hope this helps, Laurent
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:16:11PM +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 20:49 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
I also have a "Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" but it's on my AMD64 machine so I cannot try your RPMs there,
I tried the x86_64 RPMs you provided there, no problem and DRI is working, glxgears gives 533 FPS.
Sounds good.
and on my laptop "VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)" which I'll try to update later.
Works fine as before in VESA BIOS mode, when I select the via driver graphical mode works but I can't go back to console with Ctrl-Alt-F1 I just get a blank screen (I believe this is not a regression and is likely to be the reason I choosed VESA BIOS instead of via at first).
Ok. via is still problematic. Could you please send me the output of "hwinfo --gfxcard" so I can make sure to disable the use of via driver for your chipset for the next SuSE release? Thanks.
On the laptop I used the new SaX2 and did not have to do manual copying, xorg.conf was directly generated.
Good news. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 21:16 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
(Out of curiosity, what FPS do other people get with various card / driver combination?)
After looking on the net, I found that the magic things for my ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128 MB / AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ 1.5 GB / xorg-x11-6.8.2rc3-0.1 were DRI, 16bits, and xorg.conf: Option "AGPMode" "4" Option "EnablePageFlip" no DRI/24 bits : 310 FPS DRI/24 bits: 610 FPS DRI/24 bits/AGP 4x: 806 FPS DRI/16 bits/AGP 4x: 1168 FPS DRI/16 bits/AGP 4x/Flip: 1494 FPS Note that AGPFastWrite did freeze my system, I had to reboot. tuxracer now plays fine :). Laurent
Hi all, Does the DRI driver provide 3D support for Raedon 9600XT also? or I need to use fglrx driver instead? Hillman --- Laurent GUERBY <laurent@guerby.net> 內容：
On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 21:16 +0100, Laurent GUERBY wrote:
(Out of curiosity, what FPS do other people get with various card / driver combination?)
After looking on the net, I found that the magic things for my ATI Radeon 9200 SE 128 MB / AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2600+ 1.5 GB / xorg-x11-6.8.2rc3-0.1 were DRI, 16bits, and xorg.conf:
Option "AGPMode" "4" Option "EnablePageFlip"
no DRI/24 bits : 310 FPS DRI/24 bits: 610 FPS DRI/24 bits/AGP 4x: 806 FPS DRI/16 bits/AGP 4x: 1168 FPS DRI/16 bits/AGP 4x/Flip: 1494 FPS
Note that AGPFastWrite did freeze my system, I had to reboot.
tuxracer now plays fine :).
Laurent
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On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 11:38:15PM +0800, Hillman Dai wrote:
Hi all,
Does the DRI driver provide 3D support for Raedon 9600XT also? or I need to use fglrx driver instead?
You need the fglrx driver. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
When I try to compile from source xorg-x11-6.8.2rc3-0.1.src.rpm (or 6.8.1 stable version) it says that I need ghostscript-mini. Where can I get it? Thanks -- Bojan Hribernik http://hribb.homelinux.com/
Am Samstag, 29. Januar 2005 19:49 schrieb Bojan Hribernik:
When I try to compile from source xorg-x11-6.8.2rc3-0.1.src.rpm (or 6.8.1 stable version) it says that I need ghostscript-mini. Where can I get it?
Probably with SuSE-9.3 ;-) I had the same problem with RC2. I solved that by editing the .spec file.
Am Samstag, 29. Januar 2005 19:49 schrieb Bojan Hribernik:
When I try to compile from source xorg-x11-6.8.2rc3-0.1.src.rpm (or 6.8.1 stable version) it says that I need ghostscript-mini. Where can I get it?
Probably with SuSE-9.3 ;-) I had the same problem with RC2. I solved that by editing the .spec file.
Yeah... I did that. I removed ghostscript-mini from dep list and xorg is being compiled at the moment. -- Bojan Hribernik http://hribb.homelinux.com/
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