Re: [suse-xfree86] X.Org 7 packages available for SUSE 10.1/10.2 (Alpha)
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 17:43 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:29:27PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
and i also noticed that compiz/xgl didn't start/work. i have it enabled, but when installed 7.1 system behaeved like it is not installed/switched on.
Hmm. I would need more details here to investigate this issue. But since you're already back to 6.9 ... :-(
i will try again tommorow.... does xgl/compiz work with 7.1 on your computer?
Honestly I didn't test it yet. Still need to figure out how to setup my KDE desktop to use Xgl/compiz.
after returning to 6.9 (which was not easy!), it worked again.
Indeed this is annoying. I've added ' Option "RenderAccel" "no" ' to
does that cost performance?
As long as you don't have Composite extensions enabled no. See the NVIDIA driver README for details.
isn't xgl/compiz a "Composite extension"?
AFAIK Xgl itself provides the Composite extension. Therefore I don't think Xgl/compiz would make use of the NVIDIA Render acceleration. But I might be completely wrong. Matthias probably knows better and might give us some more details, when he's back next week.
i think we need a "suse 10.1 upgrading from 6.9 to 7.1 howto" and a "switching back to 6.9 if something fails howto".....
Yes, this would be something for openSUSE. You need to remove
/usr/lib/X11 /usr/include/X11
i had to find out this the hard way........ some minutes ago ;-)
the hardest issue was, that i had to do all in text-mode coz after some while even the open-source "nv" driver didn't work, which worked after installation of 7.1... strange!
Well, nv/nvidia driver don't like each other. :-(
i need some script or similar to switch quickly from 6.9 to 7.1 and vice versa. so i can try/test, and go back quickly if somethink doesn't work. because i also have to do some work here with my computer ...... ;-)
It's a pity, that it isn't usable for you yet, but just to give you an idea for such scripts. Uninstall 7.1: - rpm -e $(rpm -qa|grep xorg-x11) --nodeps - rmdir /usr/lib/X11 /usr/include/X11 - let YaST resolve the package dependancies to install again 6.9 X.Org packages Install 7.1: - rpm -Uhv xorg-x11*.rpm Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:08:14PM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 17:43 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:29:27PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
and i also noticed that compiz/xgl didn't start/work. i have it enabled, but when installed 7.1 system behaeved like it is not installed/switched on.
Hmm. I would need more details here to investigate this issue. But since you're already back to 6.9 ... :-(
i will try again tommorow.... does xgl/compiz work with 7.1 on your computer?
Honestly I didn't test it yet. Still need to figure out how to setup my KDE desktop to use Xgl/compiz.
Finally I've running it now. I ended up with: echo "fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1" > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz/6x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc to get Xgl started. But the keyboard e.g. is still broken (setxkbmap doesn't work). I wouldn't recommend to switch to X.Org 7 now if you rely on Xgl/compiz. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 23:49 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:08:14PM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 17:43 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:29:27PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Honestly I didn't test it yet. Still need to figure out how to setup my KDE desktop to use Xgl/compiz.
Finally I've running it now. I ended up with:
echo "fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1" > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz/6x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
to get Xgl started. But the keyboard e.g. is still broken (setxkbmap doesn't work). I wouldn't recommend to switch to X.Org 7 now if you rely on Xgl/compiz.
i am sad to hear that... :-( because i would like to use both: latest xorg and latest xgl/compiz. did you try latest xgl/compiz from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ? does that make a difference? maybe you should contact cyberorg (cyberorg@cyberorg.info) who seems to be involved in developing latest xgl/compiz. please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it. so i can't use xorg 7.1 right now, and this is disappointing, because i want to use it.... -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:48:57AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 23:49 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:08:14PM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 17:43 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:29:27PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch: > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Honestly I didn't test it yet. Still need to figure out how to setup my KDE desktop to use Xgl/compiz.
Finally I've running it now. I ended up with:
echo "fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1" > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz/6x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
to get Xgl started. But the keyboard e.g. is still broken (setxkbmap doesn't work). I wouldn't recommend to switch to X.Org 7 now if you rely on Xgl/compiz.
i am sad to hear that... :-(
because i would like to use both: latest xorg and latest xgl/compiz. did you try latest xgl/compiz from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
does that make a difference?
maybe you should contact cyberorg (cyberorg@cyberorg.info) who seems to be involved in developing latest xgl/compiz.
please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it.
I fixed all the Xgl issues I mentioned above before. An updated xgl package for this is now also part of the xorg7 project in the openSUSE buildservice. So just update the xgl package from this repository. Hope this helps. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
Am Montag, den 07.08.2006, 09:59 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:48:57AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 23:49 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:08:14PM +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 06:07:12PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 17:43 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:29:27PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 03.08.2006, 15:41 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch: > > On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it.
I fixed all the Xgl issues I mentioned above before. An updated xgl package for this is now also part of the xorg7 project in the openSUSE buildservice. So just update the xgl package from this repository. Hope this helps.
so what has someone to do to use xorg7.1? do i have to do your tricks: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- echo "fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz/6x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
or is everything packed into the rpms now? and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ? are they incompatible with your xorg7.1 packages from http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.... ? do i have to use your version from xgl from the xorg7.1 repository? is this the only xorg7.1 compatible version of xgl? -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:06:49AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it.
I fixed all the Xgl issues I mentioned above before. An updated xgl package for this is now also part of the xorg7 project in the openSUSE buildservice. So just update the xgl package from this repository. Hope this helps.
so what has someone to do to use xorg7.1?
do i have to do your tricks: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- echo "fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc cp /usr/share/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz/6x13-ISO8859-1.pcf.gz /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
No.
or is everything packed into the rpms now?
Yes.
and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
are they incompatible with your xorg7.1 packages from http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.... ?
I don't know about them. But I don't think that the Compiz-Quin Xgl packages are already adjusted to X.Org 7.
do i have to use your version from xgl from the xorg7.1 repository?
Yes.
is this the only xorg7.1 compatible version of xgl?
Probably except the xgl package of Factory, which I adjusted as well. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
Am Montag, den 07.08.2006, 12:24 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:06:49AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it.
and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
are they incompatible with your xorg7.1 packages from http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.... ?
I don't know about them. But I don't think that the Compiz-Quin Xgl packages are already adjusted to X.Org 7.
thats a pity, because the Compiz-Quinn-packages are the best, most stable, fastest and feature-richest versions of compiz/xgl. maybe we should tell cyberorg about this issue? so you both could exchange information, so that both products could be compatible to each other..... and then someone (for instance i ;-) can install BOTH products together! -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:57:36PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Montag, den 07.08.2006, 12:24 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:06:49AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
please post any progress in that case to this list, so i can see if it make sense for me to give xorg 7.1 another try.... because right now i am used to use xgl/compiz and i love it and i won't miss it.
and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
are they incompatible with your xorg7.1 packages from http://software.opensuse.org/download/xorg7/Java_Sun-Java-1.5_SUSE_Linux_10.... ?
I don't know about them. But I don't think that the Compiz-Quin Xgl packages are already adjusted to X.Org 7.
thats a pity, because the Compiz-Quinn-packages are the best, most stable, fastest and feature-richest versions of compiz/xgl.
maybe we should tell cyberorg about this issue? so you both could exchange information, so that both products could be compatible to each other.....
and then someone (for instance i ;-) can install BOTH products together!
I've attached a patch, which I needed for X.Org 7. Can you forward it to "cyberorg", so he can get an impression what needs to be done? Thanks, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ------------------------------------------------------
Am Montag, den 07.08.2006, 14:19 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:57:36PM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Montag, den 07.08.2006, 12:24 +0200 schrieb Stefan Dirsch:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:06:49AM +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
maybe we should tell cyberorg about this issue? so you both could exchange information, so that both products could be compatible to each other.....
and then someone (for instance i ;-) can install BOTH products together!
I've attached a patch, which I needed for X.Org 7. Can you forward it to "cyberorg", so he can get an impression what needs to be done?
no problem. i will post it to the forum (http://www.compiz.net/topic-119-1.html) for the Compiz-Quinn packages. -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Aug 07, 06 13:57:36 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
thats a pity, because the Compiz-Quinn-packages are the best, most stable, fastest and feature-richest versions of compiz/xgl.
Not to my experience. Yes, they include some experimental features. No, they are not really faster (how could that be, given that compiz almost needs no user space time at all). No, they are less stable. Stability is the most important issue for us.
maybe we should tell cyberorg about this issue?
Who is cyberorg? Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <mhopf@suse.de> __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2006, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
On Aug 07, 06 13:57:36 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
thats a pity, because the Compiz-Quinn-packages are the best, most stable, fastest and feature-richest versions of compiz/xgl.
Not to my experience. Yes, they include some experimental features. No, they are not really faster (how could that be, given that compiz almost needs no user space time at all). No, they are less stable. Stability is the most important issue for us.
when i began using 10.1 i setup some installation-sources which i found in http://repos.opensuse.org/ i setup everything which seemed usefull for me. one of them was http://repos.opensuse.org/Compiz-Quinn/ these days the versions of xgl/compiz (from 10.1 and factory) i used didn't work very well. in fact they didn't work at all on my intel-mainboard-chipset-graphics-card i855g. when i installed the versions found in http://repos.opensuse.org/ xgl/compiz began to life/work! so i sticked to them and updated them as new versions came out. and new versions come out on a regular basis. and some new features are really very usefull: 1. the new theme-engine, where the window-decorations can be tweaked 2. the built-in window-decorator, which is easier to control and faster-starting than the extra program gnome-window-decorator (which i had to start extra as a kde-user) 3. the control-icon on the desktop, from where you can configure, configure themes, restart and stop compiz. 4. some nice new plugins and effects. and since i use the Compiz-Quinn-packages compiz never froze/crashed. so from my point of view as a user, there are no better, more usefull versions out there of xgl/compiz then the versions found at http://repos.opensuse.org/Compiz-Quinn/.
maybe we should tell cyberorg about this issue?
Who is cyberorg?
a guy who communicates with compiz-users on the forum http://www.compiz.net/topic-119-1.html i really don't know if he is the developer behind Compiz-Quinn-packages, but he has something to do with the release of the Compiz-Quinn-packages. -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Aug 08, 06 17:57:35 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2006, 16:15 +0200 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
On Aug 07, 06 13:57:36 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
thats a pity, because the Compiz-Quinn-packages are the best, most stable, fastest and feature-richest versions of compiz/xgl.
Not to my experience. Yes, they include some experimental features. No, they are not really faster (how could that be, given that compiz almost needs no user space time at all). No, they are less stable. Stability is the most important issue for us.
when i began using 10.1 i setup some installation-sources which i found in http://repos.opensuse.org/ i setup everything which seemed usefull for me. one of them was http://repos.opensuse.org/Compiz-Quinn/
these days the versions of xgl/compiz (from 10.1 and factory) i used didn't work very well. in fact they didn't work at all on my intel-mainboard-chipset-graphics-card i855g.
In contrast on this year's LinuxTag almost all issues about Xgl/compiz not working was due to old Gentoo / Debian / Quinn packages. This surely is not Quinn's fault, though.
and some new features are really very usefull: 1. the new theme-engine, where the window-decorations can be tweaked
This is unnecessary, as the window decorator is an own process. The right solution would be to change the window decorator / create a different one.
2. the built-in window-decorator, which is easier to control and faster-starting than the extra program gnome-window-decorator (which i had to start extra as a kde-user)
Wrong approach. The window decorator has to link against an external widget library, which should *not* be part of compiz, so compiz can be built desktop agnostic. OTOH this really could be done in an in a plugin (in contrast to an external program, but David had reasons to do so), but AFAIK the built-in decorator changes stuff in compiz all over the place.
3. the control-icon on the desktop, from where you can configure, configure themes, restart and stop compiz.
Why do you want to restart compiz?
4. some nice new plugins and effects.
Haven't looked at them lately, though so far they have not been sent to the compiz mailing list as plugin patches (which would be the obvious way to include them). Some patches had been rejected by David due to architectural issues, though.
and since i use the Compiz-Quinn-packages compiz never froze/crashed.
That's good for you. In that case you should continue to use them (never change a running system), but we cannot estimate stability from a single user's experience.
Who is cyberorg?
a guy who communicates with compiz-users on the forum http://www.compiz.net/topic-119-1.html i really don't know if he is the developer behind Compiz-Quinn-packages, but he has something to do with the release of the Compiz-Quinn-packages.
Thanks! Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <mhopf@suse.de> __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2006, 18:09 +0200 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
and some new features are really very usefull: 1. the new theme-engine, where the window-decorations can be tweaked
This is unnecessary, as the window decorator is an own process. The right solution would be to change the window decorator / create a different one.
but right now (today) the quinn-packages offer the best solution in the area of window decorator. maybe another approach would be a better solution. but until the "right solution" comes out, i like to work with the best available, and today this is (for my opinion) the quinn-package.
2. the built-in window-decorator, which is easier to control and faster-starting than the extra program gnome-window-decorator (which i had to start extra as a kde-user)
Wrong approach. The window decorator has to link against an external widget library, which should *not* be part of compiz, so compiz can be built desktop agnostic. OTOH this really could be done in an in a plugin (in contrast to an external program, but David had reasons to do so), but AFAIK the built-in decorator changes stuff in compiz all over the place.
like stated above. even it is not the "right" approach. (and i myself normally don't like wrong approaches, and quick&dirty solutions). BUT it is the best solution today. it works better and has more features than any other solutions.
3. the control-icon on the desktop, from where you can configure, configure themes, restart and stop compiz.
Why do you want to restart compiz?
when i install an upgrade, it is easy to start the new installed version with this.
That's good for you. In that case you should continue to use them (never
i will.
change a running system), but we cannot estimate stability from a single user's experience.
of course not. -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Aug 29, 06 08:50:07 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
and some new features are really very usefull: 1. the new theme-engine, where the window-decorations can be tweaked This is unnecessary, as the window decorator is an own process. The right solution would be to change the window decorator / create a different one.
but right now (today) the quinn-packages offer the best solution in the area of window decorator.
I understand that quite some people like the quinn packages better, but noone in our team has the time to even evaluate them deeper. David thinks that the patches often do more harm than good, so we cannot include (and maintain) them upstream.
Why do you want to restart compiz? when i install an upgrade, it is easy to start the new installed version with this.
I typically don't update such basic functionallity stuff like the window manager every day, so I didn't see the necessity ;-) CU Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <mhopf@suse.de> __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de
Am Mittwoch, den 06.09.2006, 16:18 +0200 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
On Aug 29, 06 08:50:07 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
and some new features are really very usefull: 1. the new theme-engine, where the window-decorations can be tweaked This is unnecessary, as the window decorator is an own process. The right solution would be to change the window decorator / create a different one.
but right now (today) the quinn-packages offer the best solution in the area of window decorator.
I understand that quite some people like the quinn packages better, but noone in our team has the time to even evaluate them deeper. David
of course not.
thinks that the patches often do more harm than good, so we cannot include (and maintain) them upstream.
i understand.
Why do you want to restart compiz? when i install an upgrade, it is easy to start the new installed version with this.
I typically don't update such basic functionallity stuff like the window manager every day, so I didn't see the necessity ;-)
yes, but as long as there is so much ongoing (updates) at this area it is very comfortable to be able to quick-restart the program. -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Aug 07, 06 12:24:17 +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
Quinn is maintaining a sort-of test case for experimental plugins and experimental changes to compiz. They typically don't fit the architectural model and are thus not included in upstream compiz. As upstream compiz is developed by David Reveman (one of our men) we stick to upstream. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <mhopf@suse.de>, SuSE labs, Zimmer 3.2.06, Tel. 74053-715
Am Dienstag, den 08.08.2006, 16:13 +0200 schrieb Matthias Hopf:
On Aug 07, 06 12:24:17 +0200, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
and what about the latest xgl/compiz updates from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/ ?
Quinn is maintaining a sort-of test case for experimental plugins and experimental changes to compiz. They typically don't fit the architectural model and are thus not included in upstream compiz. As upstream compiz is developed by David Reveman (one of our men) we stick to upstream.
so what you wanna say is that there will be no compatibility between xorg7.1 and xgl/compiz from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/? -- einen schönen Tag noch DI Rainer Klier Abteilung IT - Entwicklung ECOLOG Logistiksysteme GmbH Bauernstraße 11, A-4600 Wels Tel. ++43/7242/66200 Fax ++43/7242/66200-200 mailto:kra@ecolog.at http://www.ecolog.at
On Aug 08, 06 18:00:39 +0200, Rainer Klier wrote:
Quinn is maintaining a sort-of test case for experimental plugins and experimental changes to compiz. They typically don't fit the architectural model and are thus not included in upstream compiz. As upstream compiz is developed by David Reveman (one of our men) we stick to upstream.
so what you wanna say is that there will be no compatibility between xorg7.1 and xgl/compiz from http://software.opensuse.org/download/Compiz-Quinn/?
Well, it will be as soon as one of the guys/girls behind Compiz-Quinn updates the packages. That is certainly neither Stefan nor David nor me, though. I vaguely remember a 7.1 patch floating around on the compiz mailing list. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <mhopf@suse.de> __ __ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg (_ | | (_ |__ mat@mshopf.de Phone +49-911-74053-715 __) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de
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