[opensuse-xorg] twm & xdm installed by xorg-x11 regardless
I've been doing only minimal installs of Factory lately. I also set solver.onlyRequires=true and use only zypper for package management. That means patterns shouldn't be installed, yet they seem to be anyway. Today I notice on such an rv380 installation that I had incompletely installed Xorg even though KDE 4.8.4 works using startx, but KDM didn't, and still doesn't for reasons unknown to me. In trying to get KDM to work I noticed xorg-x11 hadn't been installed, so I did zypper in xorg-x11. That resulted in 4 packages to install, including twm and xdm. Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:50:35PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I've been doing only minimal installs of Factory lately. I also set solver.onlyRequires=true and use only zypper for package management.
Hmm. Looking for trouble?
That means patterns shouldn't be installed, yet they seem to be anyway.
No idea how patterns are treated in that case.
Today I notice on such an rv380 installation that I had incompletely installed Xorg even though KDE 4.8.4 works using startx, but KDM didn't, and still doesn't for reasons unknown to me.
In trying to get KDM to work I noticed xorg-x11 hadn't been installed, so I did zypper in xorg-x11. That resulted in 4 packages to install, including twm and xdm.
xorg-x11 has become a meta package to collect all required and possibly useful X sample apps like xdm, xmodmap, ...
Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required?
xdm scripts are used by kdm (and I believe also by gdm). twm is still used as a fallback by the xdm init script. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/06/26 04:38 (GMT-0400) Stefan Dirsch composed:
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 22:50 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
I've been doing only minimal installs of Factory lately. I also set solver.onlyRequires=true and use only zypper for package management.
Hmm. Looking for trouble?
Isn't that what using milestones, betas & Factory are about? :-) I'm looking for some more particular trouble than those who do default installs, like deps that shouldn't be, and that should. By-products are quicker zypper dups, and smaller / partitions required. Besides, if I didn't choose to install something, odds are if it's broken, and I try to use it, I wouldn't recognize a problem exists.
Today I notice on such an rv380 installation that I had incompletely installed Xorg even though KDE 4.8.4 works using startx, but KDM didn't, and still doesn't for reasons unknown to me.
In trying to get KDM to work I noticed xorg-x11 hadn't been installed, so I did zypper in xorg-x11. That resulted in 4 packages to install, including twm and xdm.
xorg-x11 has become a meta package to collect all required and possibly useful X sample apps like
xdm, xmodmap, ...
Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required?
xdm scripts are used by kdm
Is this an upstream "feature"?
twm is still used as a fallback by the xdm init script.
That I have noticed on occasion, and usually find that it starts instead of a KDE session (that won't start because something's broken or missing) annoying. Meanwhile I have one B2 system on which "init 5/telinit 5" instantly returns zilch and no new Xorg.0.log, while startx works fine. I may just make that my next target of a fresh install instead of trying to figure out why. :-p -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:27:07AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required?
xdm scripts are used by kdm
Is this an upstream "feature"?
This is a framework developped and well maintained by SUSE and used by xdm/kdm/gdm on our distribution since a long time now. Are you interested in replacing it with something different?
twm is still used as a fallback by the xdm init script.
That I have noticed on occasion, and usually find that it starts instead of a KDE session (that won't start because something's broken or missing) annoying.
Still better than no WM at all IMO.
Meanwhile I have one B2 system on which "init 5/telinit 5" instantly returns zilch and no new Xorg.0.log, while startx works fine. I may just make that my next target of a fresh install instead of trying to figure out why. :-p
Well, I didn't manage to install openSUSE 12.2 Beta2 at all so far, so you're already *steps* further than me. ;-) Thanks, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/06/27 10:58 (GMT+0200) Stefan Dirsch composed:
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 05:27:07AM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required?
xdm scripts are used by kdm
Is this an upstream "feature"?
This is a framework developped and well maintained by SUSE and used by xdm/kdm/gdm on our distribution since a long time now. Are you interested in replacing it with something different?
No. It just seems that GDM & KDM upstream would have competent configurations to not depend on other dms, leaving me puzzled as to what value(s) openSUSE personalization in this area might be.
twm is still used as a fallback by the xdm init script.
That I have noticed on occasion, and usually find that it starts instead of a KDE session (that won't start because something's broken or missing) annoying.
Still better than no WM at all IMO.
I see that microfont message box sometimes, and wonder what it expects me to do next after I find my magnifying glass to read it, whereas if no WM started, I'd focus right in on finding out why.
Meanwhile I have one B2 system on which "init 5/telinit 5" instantly returns zilch and no new Xorg.0.log, while startx works fine. I may just make that my next target of a fresh install instead of trying to figure out why. :-p
Well, I didn't manage to install openSUSE 12.2 Beta2 at all so far, so you're already *steps* further than me. ;-)
I've installed several times since 12.2's YaST broke[1], including just minutes ago from factory-snapshot. I just don't use YaST for packaging activities, starting installation with just a minimal X or server install and then zypper on first and subsequent 12.2 boots. [1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=765769 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xorg+owner@opensuse.org
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