Hi Vinz, On 3/12/19 3:53 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

Hi there,

I got two questions:

First, xfce4-screensaver is in X11:xfce but not yet in Leap 15.1 or even TW. Why is that and what needs to be done to fix this?

Second, the Xfce pattern recommends xscreensaver. Maybe we could replace this with xfce4-screensaver?

xfce4-screensaver is still in beta and it's unsuitable for production due to some bugs. Currently xscreensaver is a better option but it will be replaced by xfce4-screensaver when it's ready. Best, -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Vinz, On 3/12/19 9:17 PM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:

Am Dienstag, 12. März 2019, 00:06:03 CET schrieb Maurizio Galli:

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xfce4-screensaver is still and it's unsuitable for production due to some bugs. Currently xscreensaver is a better option but it will be replaced by xfce4-screensaver when it's ready. I see. Let's hope Sean will fix them soon and we can get rid of xscreensaver finally! There have been many commits recently so I think a stable release will come soon. I wish xfce4-screensaver could be in Leap 15.1 but even if released now, it might be premature to add it. It will likely be in Tumbleweed first.

That being said, xscreensaver looks kinda dated and "ugly" but it's fast and reliable. There is a way to make it look a bit better:http://www.bstegmaier.de/xscreensaver-theming

OT: Is there some ToDo list or open bugs for oS:Xfce? Maybe especially for someone without "real" dev skills? I still struggle to get into work at openSUSE...

openSUSE Xfce bugs are tracked in bugzilla like any other openSUSE bug. For example: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?component=Xfce&product=openSUSE%20Tumbleweed&resolution=--- https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?component=Xfce&product=openSUSE%20Distribution&resolution=--- If you struggle with it just find me online and I can help you with it :-) There is a ToDo list in the openSUSE Xfce Wiki but it's mostly for reference only: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce Right now there is only the Live CD items which is currently something being pushed forward and almost ready to be deployed. Cheers, -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Stefan, On 3/13/19 11:51 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 12.03.19 um 14:17 schrieb Vinzenz Vietzke:

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Am Dienstag, 12. März 2019, 00:06:03 CET schrieb Maurizio Galli:

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xfce4-screensaver is still and it's unsuitable for production due to some bugs. Currently xscreensaver is a better option but it will be replaced by xfce4-screensaver when it's ready.

I see. Let's hope Sean will fix them soon and we can get rid of xscreensaver finally!

OT: Is there some ToDo list or open bugs for oS:Xfce? Maybe especially for someone without "real" dev skills? I still struggle to get into work at openSUSE...

The XFCE bugs get auto-assigned to bnc-team-xfce@forge.provo.novell.com. That's a mailing list where I'm pretty sure nobody is subscribed anymore ;-)

I am not ;-P. I just check bugzilla every now and then but automatic alerts would indeed be useful.

I have a bugzilla search:

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=11609241&namedcmd=bnc-team-xfce%40forge.provo.novell.com

(no idea if this only works for me when logged in...)

I get an error. Perhaps it's available with your credentials Stefan?

It's basically this:

Resolution: --- Classification: openSUSE Status: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, CONFIRMED, IN_PROGRESS, REOPENED Assignee: bnc-team-xfce@forge.provo.novell.com CC: bnc-team-xfce@forge.provo.novell.com QA Contact: bnc-team-xfce@forge.provo.novell.com

So watching for this list and then adding one of the real maintainers (mostly Maurizio nowadays, but Takashi and me are also taking care), maybe after some initial triaging would really be useful and does not need developer skills.

This would be IMO a really welcome task helping to remind me (at least) to look at the reported bugs. To be honest, now that Maurizio is doing lots of XFCE work, I am more often tending to other projects and had not looked at that bugzilla search for quite some time, maybe for more than 6 months. Additionally, it is not nice for us (me) letting bug reporters wait long for an initial responce.

Yes this is something that is not always easy to stay on top of. Having someone helping keeping an eye out for xfce related bugs and assign them would certainly help speeding up the responses. Some cleanup would also be good as there are also some pretty old bugs that should be closed.

Another thing I had done regularly was checking for upstream updates for all packages available in X11:xfce repo and doing simple version updates. Again, nowadays Maurizio is taking care of this, but I guess he would not turn down a helping hand.

Absolutely! The more people joining this effort the better :-).

Then something that I had totally neglected: check if the XFCE upstream has changed default configuration and our standard setup is no longer the best. Also: compare the openSUSE XFCE experience with other distribution's XFCE and check what we can learn from them, or where we can unify the efforts.

I think there are some relatively low hanging fruit where starting to contribute is easy.

+1. I'm not exactly a distro hopper and I don't check out much what happens around, with exception of xubuntu that I keep in a VM. Vinz since you work with different distros this is an area that I think you could really help with if you wish to do so :-) I would add that the wiki and documentation could use some update too. It's something that. Stefan thanks for the "how to contribute to openSUSE Xfce" summary. I think it should also go somewhere in the wiki perhaps :-). Cheers, -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org