On 7/2/19 11:47 PM, Olaf Hering wrote:

Am Tue, 2 Jul 2019 23:34:30 +0800 schrieb "Maurizio Galli (MauG)" :

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I do not know the historical reason of such difference with upstream but would like to propose changing the package names following the upstream model instead.

I do not know the reasons either, nor do I use those packages. But I wonder if it is really worth the hassle? I mean, the natural place to look for 3 dozen plugins is info provided by libzypp, not some webpage.

Olaf

libzypp only if a user is already using openSUSE. However for users who are not already on openSUSE and Xfce devs (as it happened) may not be clear immediately whether a plugin is included in the distribution. Ultimately it also helps us at Xfce openSUSE better keep track of things. Long story short imo having a standard name policy is worth the "hassle" going forward to have a somewhat coherent ecosystem with both Xfce upstream and other distros. -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/2/19 5:34 PM, Maurizio Galli (MauG) wrote:

https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

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https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

The 2 links are identical, unless I am missing something. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/3/19 6:04 PM, Marcel Kühlhorn wrote:

On Wed, 2019-07-03 at 11:43 +0200, Liam Proven wrote:

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On 7/2/19 5:34 PM, Maurizio Galli (MauG) wrote:

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https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

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https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

The 2 links are identical, unless I am missing something.

You're right, the second link should be:

https://repology.org/project/xfce4-panel-plugin-statusnotifier/versions

Correct. My bad ;) -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

Am Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:39:14 +0800 schrieb "Maurizio Galli (MauG)" :

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Provides: xfce4-panel-plugin-foo = %{version} Obsoletes: xfce4-panel-plugin-foo < %{version}

Also Obsolete the -debuginfo packages, nothing will swallow them during upgrade.

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...and keep it like that for the next 5 years or longer.

Such knowledge has to stay forever in practice. These rpm tags cost nothing. The Wiki is wrong in this regard. Upgrade from any earlier release has to work every time. Olaf

On 7/4/19 3:23 PM, Olaf Hering wrote:

Am Thu, 4 Jul 2019 02:39:14 +0800 schrieb "Maurizio Galli (MauG)" :

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Provides: xfce4-panel-plugin-foo = %{version} Obsoletes: xfce4-panel-plugin-foo < %{version}

Also Obsolete the -debuginfo packages, nothing will swallow them during upgrade.

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...and keep it like that for the next 5 years or longer.

Such knowledge has to stay forever in practice. These rpm tags cost nothing. The Wiki is wrong in this regard. Upgrade from any earlier release has to work every time.

Olaf

Is it possible to add in the main package spec file? Because those packages are automatically created and I cannot find information on how to modify such debuginfo package. -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

On 7/12/19 3:22 PM, Olaf Hering wrote:

Am Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:04:10 +0800 schrieb "Maurizio Galli (MauG)" :

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Is it possible to add in the main package spec file?

That is how it needs to be done today. See cups-filters or NetworkManager-applet. There are surely many more renames that leave debuginfo behind.

Not sure how handle the -lang package. It requires the base version, so it already has an anchor. If the base version disappears there might be a conflict that must be resolved manually during 'zypper dup'. Just experiment yourself how a rename works in practice.

Olaf

Thank you Olaf, I am not sure it's a good idea to add the provide/obsolete -lang package in the main spec. If there no better way, I think for the lang package I will create manual subpackages adding the Obsoletes line instead of using the %lang_package macro: MauG@openSUSE-LNX ~> rpm --eval %lang_package %package lang Summary: Translations for package %{name} Group: System/Localization Requires: %{name} = %{version} Provides: %{name}-lang-all = %{version} Supplements: %{name} BuildArch: noarch %description lang Provides translations for the "%{name}" package. -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:34 PM Maurizio Galli (MauG) wrote:

Hello,

At the moment the Xfce Panel Plugin packages in openSUSE follow the name of xfce4-panel-plugin-foo.

OTOH upstream and mainstream distributions all use xfce4-foo-plugin

This causes an issue of inconsistency with upstream and also search engines.

https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

vs

https://repology.org/project/xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin/versions

I do not know the historical reason of such difference with upstream but would like to propose changing the package names following the upstream model instead. If there isn't any objection, I would like to start this renaming work with Xfce 4.14 which is to be released by August.

Hello, Just an update on this, the panel plugins have been renamed and currently are in the X11:xfce:next repo [1]. If you're using that repo, a simple sudo zypper dup should automatically replace the plugin packages you have installed. Please feel free to report issues. I'd like to start pushing the renamed packages to the current Xfce 4.12 in Factory first (making sure of compatibility) some time next week. Cheers, [1] https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:xfce:next -- Maurizio Galli (MauG) Xfce Team https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Xfce -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-xfce+owner@opensuse.org