I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me. It's almost time to do it all again for a new version of lxc which is significantly different from the currently documented 0.6.5 so it's almost the same research and testing and optimization all over again, and this latest discovery just adds to the already existing disinclination to invest in this wiki. In my "copious free time" I guess I'll look in to what it takes to transfer an article with it's history & metadata from the old wiki.. No I don't want my name plastered in the article itself or anything gross like that in overreaction. It's not like that. The normal built in edit history was perfectly acceptable. Exactly the right level of visibility. But, since that's all there was in the way of accreditation for work, it's pretty bad to erase it I think. It makes me rethink the choice not to just write up internal company docs which would be a lot more convenient, would not move, could be filled with internal company-specific stuff, and which would be more useful for me and useless to anyone else. I hear you guys about how bad the old wiki was and how much more sane the new one should eventually be, so I'm no longer disregarding the work and eventual benefit, but I am requesting that you at least pretend to be a little more understanding of just how much and how bad fallout this move caused, or rather how this move was performed. Even if we _are_ just a bunch of whiners and complainers, instead of people with legitimate grievances, does it make a difference? Do you or do you not want contributors? Do you suppose the people who do not care about such things as broken links and lost accreditation are the more quality contributors and the ones who do care about these things and so avoid this wiki are the crappy ones you don't want anyways? -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote:
I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me.
The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer LXC. Maybe Matthew can increase that limit? -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 06:05, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote:
I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me.
The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer LXC.
Maybe Matthew can increase that limit?
It's a fairly simple tweak to up the Wiki upload limit.... and for what it's worth, I'm 100% behind Brian on this one. One of the key factors in opensource contributions and virtually every single OS license... be it CC, GPL etc. all require accreditation for the contributors (it's not optional).... baffles me why people think it's ok to simply lose all the edit history on the Wiki. :-( That's very much against one of the core requirements and principles of open source contributions. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 05/08/10 07:59, C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 06:05, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote:
I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me.
The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer LXC.
Maybe Matthew can increase that limit?
It's a fairly simple tweak to up the Wiki upload limit.... and for what it's worth, I'm 100% behind Brian on this one. One of the key factors in opensource contributions and virtually every single OS license... be it CC, GPL etc. all require accreditation for the contributors (it's not optional).... baffles me why people think it's ok to simply lose all the edit history on the Wiki. :-( That's very much against one of the core requirements and principles of open source contributions. At least there is now a way to import files with short history (and maybe not so much work invested ;-( ).
You may compare this to the status a few time ago: Thread: Upload/move a wiki artikel to wiki.opensuse.org (GFDL) http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=440535&referrerid=10227 Have a lot of success and fun! pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:33, pistazienfresser (see profile) wrote:
On 05/08/10 07:59, C wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 06:05, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote:
I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me.
The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer LXC.
Maybe Matthew can increase that limit?
It's a fairly simple tweak to up the Wiki upload limit.... and for what it's worth, I'm 100% behind Brian on this one. One of the key factors in opensource contributions and virtually every single OS license... be it CC, GPL etc. all require accreditation for the contributors (it's not optional).... baffles me why people think it's ok to simply lose all the edit history on the Wiki. :-( That's very much against one of the core requirements and principles of open source contributions. At least there is now a way to import files with short history (and maybe not so much work invested ;-( ).
You may compare this to the status a few time ago: Thread: Upload/move a wiki artikel to wiki.opensuse.org (GFDL) http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=440535&referrerid=10227
A more coherent reply from me this time :-P <note to self.. stop firing off emails without thinking> I've done a few MWiki page moves from one Wiki to another. It isn't all that hard (but it does take a little thinking) - you typically need rights above a typical user to do it though (depending on the Wiki setup). You can use the MW API and export as XML from the old wiki, including all history, and then import into the new... including all history. There are a few gotchas... one is the defaults in the php.ini file which limit filesize uploads as well as any limits set in LocalSettings.php, but for a typical page, that shouldn't be an issue - I've only had to tinker with default filesize limitations for binary/image uploads. You can also fix a bad import if you're careful... If a page was copied without history, and you want to inject that history back in... it does take some offline tinkering to fix up the XML, and then you just import it back to the live wiki, essentially replacing the existing page with the "fixed" one. Not something you want to do with every single page you move mind you, but it's a useful way to correct a few ooopses along the way. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 05/08/10 06:05, Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 04 August 2010 20:21:17 Brian K. White wrote:
I just noticed, perhaps this is petty, but I don't think it's right that I spent a lot of time writing /LXC (and the init scripts and .spec / rpm packaging to go with it) and then through no action of my own it loses all trace of me.
The xml file is 3.3 MB, and wiki allows import up to 2 MB. So importing only the last revision was the only way that I know to transfer LXC.
Maybe Matthew can increase that limit?
Should there be a remark about the limit and about an way contact someone who can (increase the limit for some time) and import large files on http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:Import ? Like "You can only import files up to 4 MB. Please leave a import request and a remark about the size on http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Missing_pages / [[openSUSE:Missing_pages]] for large articles or articles with a long history" By the way: http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Missing_pages is not very easy to find (and why in namespace openSUSE: and not in wiki: or help: ?). see: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Portal_Talk:Wiki and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Transfer and http://wiki.opensuse.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/openSUSE:Missing_pages Have a lot of fun! pistazienfresser -- - openSUSE profile: https://users.opensuse.org/show/pistazienfresser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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