[opensuse-wiki] New wiki skin: RC1
Hi, thanks to your great feedback (a special thanks to Christian Boltz, who discovered most bugs) I managed to eliminate hopefully all bugs from the new wiki skin and now proudly present the first "Release Candidate" on http://en.test.opensuse.org/ At the moment I know of only one open issue: - the logo display when using very small font sizes in Gecko/KHTML browsers (not sure whether this is resolvable at all) BTW: An RC1 for download.opensuse.org will follow ASAP. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
very nice. may be for a future skin, but I don't know how it's possible in Mediawiki, PmWiki triad skin have a switch for visually impaired people here in french http://www.culte.org/pmwiki/?n=Main.HomePage?setview=standard&setfontsize=90 in english: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/TriadSkin (look at the buttons "big view,text size") we _have_ to think a lot at such solutions, computers are often a salvation for such people (We have an impaired center near our LUG and many visually impaired people with us) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:58, jdd wrote:
PmWiki triad skin have a switch for visually impaired people
That would be idea too. Second skin for such cases. Frank: The problem with left column appear: - In Konqueror after first step [1]. It just one size below default on this computer. The font size is set to be similar to Firefox. To be honest 3rd step is still readable, but uncomfortable small. - In Firefox after 2 steps. The Firefox is on installation default, and here i can go far below readable. I'll try to look for some examples on the web to see what they do. Playing with font size decrease I found that if font is on minimum size in Konqueror and I continue pressing keys [1], font of course will not change, but when I want to revert to bigger fonts I have to press 3 times before I see first change :-) I know that this is not a wiki skin problem, but I hope that someone form KDE team has advice what to do. [1] The step is Ctrl-<Minus on numeric pad>. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 17:02, Rajko M. wrote: Hi,
you probably specified a minimum font size. Although Ctrl-- does not do anything visible when having reached the secified minimum font size, it seems to have an internal effect. Same happens on Firefox. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
In Konqueror it is close to minimum. I can decrease font for 2 steps. The Firefox has 2 empty steps. I looked on: - http://en.wikipedia.org , and it is the same problem rendering the page. Though it seems that smaller logo makes it not so sensitive to font size. and few more linked from http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign: - http://wiki.mozilla.org/Documentation:_Introduction has similar layout and it it is not that sensitive to font size. - http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page has different layout that resist longer to font changes, but gives some funny effects if you go with fontsize too low in Firefox. - http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page is the same as mono. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hay´a! On 12.06.2007, at 15:58, jdd wrote:
I absolutely agree. Accessibility is a very important point! We should implement something like this in future (future != 'when we have nothing else to do' ;-). That should not be so hard.
cheers :-) Robert Lihm Graphics Designer ____________________________________________________________ Robert Lihm, User eXperience Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm@suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
I just checked my last mail and it seems you fixed almost all bugs I found (OK, except the hard line break in the footer, but that's a really minor thing.) However, I didn't do a full check, so I hope you didn't introduce any new bugs ;-)
Hmm, why is the logo a JPG file? Proposal: make it a GIF file [1], and make most white parts transparent. This won't fix the problem, but it would more or less hide it ;-) because the box border won't be hidden except if the geeko or the text "openSUSE" covers it. To test this, just use the GIF file I have attached to this mail. What I did to create it is basically: - open JPG in GIMP - add alpha channel - choose the "selection by color" tool, tolerance 5.0 - click the white area - shrink selection by 1 pixel - some finetuning to the selection (like excluding whitespace in the middle of the logo and straighten out borders) - sharpen selection to avoid that half-transparent pixels are created - delete the selected whitespace - convert to indexed colors, optimized color palette, no dittering - save as GIF BTW: The ™ sign isn't really useful in its current size of 3x4 pixels ;-) I don't know if it is a legal requirement to put it there, but if it isn't, I would remove those 12 pixels. Regarding scalable font size (as proposed by jdd) I recommend to use http://www.einfach-fuer-alle.de/artikel/fontsize/
BTW: An RC1 for download.opensuse.org will follow ASAP.
I hope it will contain "Network installation" as additional installation media type ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Yes, I know that some people don't like GIF for political reasons, but it is the best solution from a technical point of view here. (PNG would also be OK, but I'm sure you know about the problems in IE...) -- Not mentioned in the `known features'-list so far... [found on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=152068]
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 23:54, Christian Boltz wrote: Hi,
Hmm, why is the logo a JPG file?
oh, this is not the final logo - I just took the first one I found. It will be replaced by a transparent one.
It is.
Regarding scalable font size (as proposed by jdd) I recommend to use http://www.einfach-fuer-alle.de/artikel/fontsize/
I don't see the necessity for such a script. Gecko/KHTML and IE < 7 have such an ability build-in and Opera/IE7 scale the whole page. Why would I want to offer a script that provides a functionality every browser is capable of? Do I miss something? -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, just cleaning up my old mails, I found the following: on Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
And now guess what's on software.opensuse.org... Correct, it's still a JPG :-/ (See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2007-06/msg00021.html for my original message regarding transparent logo.) Putting aside this problem, the new download page looks really great! Regards, Christian Boltz -- warum fabriziert ihr eigentlich die schönsten Endlos-Threads immer dann, wenn ich _nicht_ da bin? Habt ihr was gegen mich? [Florian Gross in suse-linux] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
very nice. may be for a future skin, but I don't know how it's possible in Mediawiki, PmWiki triad skin have a switch for visually impaired people here in french http://www.culte.org/pmwiki/?n=Main.HomePage?setview=standard&setfontsize=90 in english: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/TriadSkin (look at the buttons "big view,text size") we _have_ to think a lot at such solutions, computers are often a salvation for such people (We have an impaired center near our LUG and many visually impaired people with us) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:58, jdd wrote:
PmWiki triad skin have a switch for visually impaired people
That would be idea too. Second skin for such cases. Frank: The problem with left column appear: - In Konqueror after first step [1]. It just one size below default on this computer. The font size is set to be similar to Firefox. To be honest 3rd step is still readable, but uncomfortable small. - In Firefox after 2 steps. The Firefox is on installation default, and here i can go far below readable. I'll try to look for some examples on the web to see what they do. Playing with font size decrease I found that if font is on minimum size in Konqueror and I continue pressing keys [1], font of course will not change, but when I want to revert to bigger fonts I have to press 3 times before I see first change :-) I know that this is not a wiki skin problem, but I hope that someone form KDE team has advice what to do. [1] The step is Ctrl-<Minus on numeric pad>. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 17:02, Rajko M. wrote: Hi,
you probably specified a minimum font size. Although Ctrl-- does not do anything visible when having reached the secified minimum font size, it seems to have an internal effect. Same happens on Firefox. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
In Konqueror it is close to minimum. I can decrease font for 2 steps. The Firefox has 2 empty steps. I looked on: - http://en.wikipedia.org , and it is the same problem rendering the page. Though it seems that smaller logo makes it not so sensitive to font size. and few more linked from http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign: - http://wiki.mozilla.org/Documentation:_Introduction has similar layout and it it is not that sensitive to font size. - http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page has different layout that resist longer to font changes, but gives some funny effects if you go with fontsize too low in Firefox. - http://beagle-project.org/Main_Page is the same as mono. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hay´a! On 12.06.2007, at 15:58, jdd wrote:
I absolutely agree. Accessibility is a very important point! We should implement something like this in future (future != 'when we have nothing else to do' ;-). That should not be so hard.
cheers :-) Robert Lihm Graphics Designer ____________________________________________________________ Robert Lihm, User eXperience Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm@suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Dienstag, 12. Juni 2007, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
I just checked my last mail and it seems you fixed almost all bugs I found (OK, except the hard line break in the footer, but that's a really minor thing.) However, I didn't do a full check, so I hope you didn't introduce any new bugs ;-)
Hmm, why is the logo a JPG file? Proposal: make it a GIF file [1], and make most white parts transparent. This won't fix the problem, but it would more or less hide it ;-) because the box border won't be hidden except if the geeko or the text "openSUSE" covers it. To test this, just use the GIF file I have attached to this mail. What I did to create it is basically: - open JPG in GIMP - add alpha channel - choose the "selection by color" tool, tolerance 5.0 - click the white area - shrink selection by 1 pixel - some finetuning to the selection (like excluding whitespace in the middle of the logo and straighten out borders) - sharpen selection to avoid that half-transparent pixels are created - delete the selected whitespace - convert to indexed colors, optimized color palette, no dittering - save as GIF BTW: The ™ sign isn't really useful in its current size of 3x4 pixels ;-) I don't know if it is a legal requirement to put it there, but if it isn't, I would remove those 12 pixels. Regarding scalable font size (as proposed by jdd) I recommend to use http://www.einfach-fuer-alle.de/artikel/fontsize/
BTW: An RC1 for download.opensuse.org will follow ASAP.
I hope it will contain "Network installation" as additional installation media type ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Yes, I know that some people don't like GIF for political reasons, but it is the best solution from a technical point of view here. (PNG would also be OK, but I'm sure you know about the problems in IE...) -- Not mentioned in the `known features'-list so far... [found on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=152068]
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