On 2006-07-31 14:43:24 +0200, jdd wrote:

very nice. may be we should sort the langages alphabetically?

according to which charset?;) darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

Marcus Rueckert a écrit :

On 2006-07-31 14:43:24 +0200, jdd wrote:

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very nice. may be we should sort the langages alphabetically?

according to which charset?;)

darix

utf8 :-) I don't know :-) but random may not be the better :-) (in the publication order could be a possibility) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:

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first, a big "Thank you" to Rajko for making this really cool suggestion for the splash screen. Seems that we will reach an agreement very soon with this proposal.

I polished the graphics a bit, added the openSUSE writing and a search box and put it all together with html and css:

http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

I hope that there will be no problem adding the languages created after this splash screen into the splash screen itself... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:52:08PM +0300, Angel Chraniotis wrote:

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http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

I hope that there will be no problem adding the languages created after this splash screen into the splash screen itself...

Sorry, what do you mean by that? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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From: houghi Reply-To: opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org To: opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-wiki] [FPR] Splash screen: 3rd stage of proposals Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:32:37 +0200

On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:52:08PM +0300, Angel Chraniotis wrote:

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http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

I hope that there will be no problem adding the languages created after this splash screen into the splash screen itself...

Sorry, what do you mean by that? -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html

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Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier...

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What I wanted to ask mainly from the person that created the splash "screen" if the outlook of the existing languages can be altered in order to add a new language during to new translations being completed... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

Hello, Am Montag, 31. Juli 2006 14:35 schrieb Frank Sundermeyer:

I polished the graphics a bit, added the openSUSE writing and a search box and put it all together with html and css:

http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

I like it ;-) However, I noticed some technical problems: - when the browser window is very small (say 200 px width), the links are cut off on the left side, but you can't scroll to left. This is a known problem of positioning elements with a negative number of pixels relative to a left:50% element (tested in Konqueror and Firefox) - Konqueror allows scrolling to the right even if there is only whitespace. I just edited the page a bit to solve these problems (mainly the first one, the second problem got solved "accidently" by my changes ;-) - I'll attach both the fixed html [1] and the patch. As you can see, I changed the outer div to margin-left/right:auto and the inner div to left:0. You can probably merge the background image to the outer div (and remove the inner one), I didn't test it. Oh, and I added the usual "margin:0; padding:0" as <body> style - the browser defaults are not very usable :-/ Successfully tested in Firefox and Konqueror. IE might need the usual text-align:center workaround... Regards, Christian Boltz [1] with full image URL added for best viewing experience when opening the attached file in your browser ;-) -- Und als nächste dürfen Querschnittgelähmte spammen, Blinde dürfen meinen Server aufmachen, und wer als Kind im Ostblock aufgewachsen ist darf HTML-Mails schreiben? Super. Ich hatte mal Mittelohrentzündung, das sollte reichen, um Outlook benutzen zu dürfen? [Ratti in suse-linux] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

may be shift the openSUSE a little to the left, to avoid the blank space under it (make the right part of the "E" aligned with the chameleon tail) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

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http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/splash.html

may be shift the openSUSE a little to the left, to avoid the blank space under it (make the right part of the "E" aligned with the chameleon tail)

Did you commented Frank's proposal or this: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/1/17/OpenSUSE-splash-003.png I left the blank for something like article of the month or similar section, that will pull people to see en.opensuse.org, as it is by now the most complete one, in other words, the most presentable. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

the above proposal is too large for the usual screen ratio (16/9 screen are rare on desktop)

This made me to see what is wrong with the ratio, as I use 4:3 screen. The most of screenshots are wide because I cut out browser panels, scroll bars, window decorations. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:45:55AM +0200, jdd wrote:

I use a 19" display (and 8 screens :-), but try to keep the windows consistent with the H/L ratio of the screen.

8 screens? I am jealous, I have only two 1600x1200 screens with 4 desktops each.

but think that many countries in the world uses 800x600 screens and even 640x480.

Some stats from opensuse.org? Also I don't think countries use it, but rather users.

from my mother computer (56k modem, 6 years old computer, 86 years old mother :-), openSUSE web site is completely unreadable.

Is this due to the linespeed or the browser you use. This is done on purpose. If you can't see the site, you can't run the software. ;-) And I tried opening it with Netscape 1.0 and it did also not work. Sometimes you can't please everybody. If you have an easy hack to solve this, then please tell us, but don't tell us each and every time that some people still use XXX so we must halt.

however even if she uses windows (she lives 250 kilometers away from me, I can't fix a linux machine for her), it runs still a SUSE 6.1 when I'm there :-) (I don't plan to update)

Even if SUSE won't run does not mean you must let her run outdated software. Install DSL on it or equivalent. At least now we know why you are so persistant to get SUSE working on old hardware. ;-) -- houghi Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 09:47:03AM +0200, jdd wrote:

houghi a écrit :

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Is this due to the linespeed or the browser you use. This is done on purpose. If you can't see the site, you can't run the software. ;-)

not true.

I must type a bigger smiley and explain it is a joke, next time. It was a joke.

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Sometimes you can't please everybody.

what I try to note is that these people are 80% of the world. do you want to cancel 80% of potential users?

If they hold back the development of SUSE, yes. I am not interested in one distribution for everybody. If that is 80%, then so be it. I am not intersted in becoming the largest OS, or be a replacement of Windows or whatever. I just want the best distribution for me.

we must halt forgetting them. they are the scope of an open source product. they are the future.

open source is not identical to openSUSE. If you are interested in a distro that can run on every hardware ever made, I think it is better to concentrate on a different distribution. DSL is good in that way. There are other distribution specialized in older or lowerend hardware. For me it is simple, buy new hardware or use a different distribution. Sounds harsh? It isn't. With Linux you have the choice to find a solution that fits you. That solution must not always be Novell.

stop thinking anybody can afford opteron 2 gb ram 300 gb HD computer.

No I won't. I know I can afford one. For lowerend machines there are different distributions. I am in it to make the best OS for me, not for ex-windows users or people with old hardware.

if openSUSE must spread the world, it must run on low end machines first. this is a market windows let alone (any way this market didn't buy windows but stole it :-), we should not do the same.

I disagree. I would say that if openSUSE and Novell were to conentrate on these lowend machines, they were taking away time (and money) from development of SUSE. I realy don't care that low-end machine can't run SUSE. I have a 486 and it won't run SUSE. So what? I just run a different distribution on it. I am completely and utterly against the idea that SUSE should be the solution for each and every machine and situation. -- houghi Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 12:23:19PM +0200, jdd wrote:

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If they hold back the development of SUSE, yes. I am not interested in one distribution for everybody. If that is 80%, then so be it. I am not intersted in becoming the largest OS, or be a replacement of Windows or whatever. I just want the best distribution for me.

here, I think, you should write a smiley. because the best distribution for anyone alone he must have to make it himself.

No. No smiley. I participate in the distro that comes closest to what I want.

opensource software like openSUSE is a collective effort.

Yet it is not the same.

it's an evidence for many that opensource being free if right fitted for poor countries, the opensourceness giving confidence on not having backdoors can be a very thought plus also.

Great. And that is the open source part. I am not saying to use closed source, I am saying to use another distribution, like DSL.

Not anybody trust america when america is written Microsoft.

Novell is American. If trust in a country is an issue, use Mandriva, wich is French, or any other non-US based distribution. SUSE is American.

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are other distribution specialized in older or lowerend hardware.

I think this is a great mistake. I don't know for sure where will be Africa in the next ten years, but I'm pretty sure China and India will be in the first place.

And you believe that the people will still have old hardware? I don't think so.

I read somewhere than Idians are already the very first programmers in the hole world (indians originally from india, may be true french or american citizens).

Yes, and they program on recent machines that are able to run the modern distributions.

I see all days products of China built under the ISO9000 standards, the best one.

And what does this have to do with anything?

In thouse countries, of course the first grade people work as we do with moderns hardware, but most of the population don't and I'm sure they will appreciate our collaboration.

Sure they will apreciate the work. That does not mean that we should focus on haveing SUSE work on all hardware, especially not older hardware and especially not if it takes away labour from SUSE development. If there is time left, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

just look at the list of the new wikis. the majority today is for countries not really in the top ten.

Not countries, languages. e.g. to have a Dutch wiki will be very hard, because almost all Dutch speaking people will be able to read, write and contribute to the English one. That does not mean that there are no Dutch speaking SUSE users. It just means that there is perhaps no interest in having their own wiki. I know I still look at `EN` apges instead of `NL` pages.

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that fits you. That solution must not always be Novell.

why?

Because competition is a good things. Also because each and every user will have different demands. This will result in different demands. You can not, within reason, expect this to be one distribution. To have only Novell as an OS provider is just as scary as having Microsoft as the only OS provider.

one of the strengh of Linux is that with little effort, the same distribution can fit an enormous variety of hardware.

I would say a lot-of-effort, especially when it goes to older hardware, If it is very little effort, then by all means, please. It is not that I want to halt people using SUSE on older and low-end machines. I just don't like if developers waste time with it that should have gone into developement.

and as long as the ncurse version of yast will exist, openSUSE is one of the best fitted distribution for lowend hardware.

The hardware you keep talking about and what you are pushing is not able to do the installation, because of e.g. memory problems.

this mean we should probably have a small subset of the wiki on a simpler html site

Oh, please, be serous. The site is absolutely not heavy. It is mainly text and a 56K user should, with a curent browser, be perfectly able to see the site. I have browsed years with 33.6K and have seen pages that were larger then what we have now.

don't forget today 56k users are to be tomorrow adsl users...

Yes, they are. That does not mean that the site should need change. It is not a slow site or too heavy for 56K modem users. -- houghi Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 03:08:15PM +0200, jdd wrote:

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The hardware you keep talking about and what you are pushing is not able to do the installation, because of e.g. memory problems.

it was able to install 10.0, but not 10.1 alpha (I was saif final is better). We should not let people alone that used our product. two years support don't mean two years computers are too old for us.

It also does not mean that a computer that you had two years ago was a recent one then. I would be very surprised if the PC you bought 2 years ago won't install 10.1 because of specifications. That is unless you bought an even for that time machine with way too low specifications. As you know the most limiting factor is the installation itself. If you have taken that hurdle, then you can run SUSE just fine with e.g. Windowmaker. The limiting factor is memory. -- houghi Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

Boyd Lynn Gerber a écrit :

So jdd is not the only one use sub-optimal new computers.

:-)

I am very happy with the results after the installation.

I tried only 10.1 with alpha version and I was said the final one is better in this respect - I have yet to test this. I have right on my inbox a mail from this list (or a sister) giving me the syntax to use swap right from the beginning (Try this argument for booting the installation: AddSwap: 0|3|/dev/hda5 if 0, never ask for swap; if the argument is a positive number n, activate the nth swap partition; if the argument is a partition name, activate this swap partition) not yet had the time to test, but seems very promising. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 02:54:39PM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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Boyd Lynn Gerber a écrit :

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So jdd is not the only one use sub-optimal new computers. I have right on my inbox a mail from this list (or a sister) giving me the syntax to use swap right from the beginning

I will try this on the next system. All my current systems are at 10.1. What I have been doing is setting it up ahead of time and during the installation it prompts me to activate swap before I partition or choose packages. I just have to do the manual partition before trying to install on a new HD.

OK, so there should perhaps be an easier way to do this. Best to open a new thread on factory, as that is more the place then here. -- This space left blank intentionaly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki-help@opensuse.org