[opensuse-wiki] some help with Portuguese wiki page
Hello all, Up here in Brazil, we are working together with some guys from Portugal to improve and grow our openSUSE Portuguese language community in quality and numbers and one of our next steps is to make our Portuguese wiki page more aligned with the global wiki page. Then we believe we need no more than 3 users with full rights at http://pt.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:Mainpagerightcolumn to be able to migrate our wiki theme to "bento" for example. Is this possible? Makes sense? Also, As I mentioned we like to migrate our wiki theme to "bento" Any clue who is the best one to give a hand to us? Is there anything we must do before this process happen? best regards thanks CarlosRibeiro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 25 August 2010 20:30:03 Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
Hello all,
Up here in Brazil, we are working together with some guys from Portugal to improve and grow our openSUSE Portuguese language community in quality and numbers and one of our next steps is to make our Portuguese wiki page more aligned with the global wiki page. Then we believe we need no more than 3 users with full rights at http://pt.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:Mainpagerightcolumn to be able to migrate our wiki theme to "bento" for example. Is this possible? Makes sense?
Mainpagerightcolumn is not used in a new wiki layout.
Also, As I mentioned we like to migrate our wiki theme to "bento" Any clue who is the best one to give a hand to us?
See https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629405 .
Is there anything we must do before this process happen?
Just use bug report to request wiki update to status of en.opensuse.org . In bug report I mentioned discussion on this mail list about preferred way to update. There are 2 ways: The way English wiki was updated, which to me is too complicated for language wikis that have lesser contributors. The way is to create separate wiki that will be used to transfer content that has some value. http://dewiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki that Henne takes as example of first way, is pretty empty and that is wiki with the highest number of contributors. Advantages are explained in a bug report. For me it is better to do in place update, in other words our wiki admin Matthew Ehle update software, install extensions, copy setup, and then wiki contributors: 1) translate new pages that does not exist in the old wiki and present backbone of the new organization (most Portals) 2) move old articles that have some value to new locations (SDB, openSUSE, Help) and leave articles that are distro presentation in Main namespace 3) move what has historic value to Archive namespace (name tells what is the purpose :) 4) delete all that has no value (if in doubt, move to Archive) Advantages this method are: 1) Faster move of content from current to future location; article move is much faster then export import as explained in http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Transfer_article . Disadvantage is that editors have to create list of all articles and go by the list. Use of categories is probably the best way for this. There is extension that allows mass edit of articles, so it should be no problem to add and remove categories. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MassEditRegex First all articles will get [[Category:Old articles]] and that will be place where those interested in transfer will look for job. Depends on size of the wiki that category can be split in few subcategories. Each team member can review list and choose what to work on by creating own category that will be subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]] and replacing [[Category:Old articles]] with [[Category:Joe Doe]]. To make [[Category:Joe Doe]] subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]], just add [[Category:Old articles]] to the end of [[Category:Joe Doe]]. When job on transformation is done the [[Category:Joe Doe]] is removed from the article, which means that article is no more listed in subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]]. It starts to live in regular categories that are added independent from [[Category:Old articles]]. When all is done we can remove [[Category:Old articles]] and all subcategories. I wish that we knew about Extension:MassEditRegex before we started wiki consolidation, but we didn't. We would be able to clean up wiki without new instance. New stuff will appear and replace old and disruption of services will be minimal. On the other hand it will be impossible to test all stuff that we did in a separate wiki instance. There will be uproar on each change, and many changes will not survive, no matter how good they would be.
best regards thanks CarlosRibeiro
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Em 26/08/2010 às 01:02 AM, na mensagem <201008252302.44601.rmatov101@charter.net>, "Rajko M." <rmatov101@charter.net> gravou: On Wednesday 25 August 2010 20:30:03 Carlos Ribeiro wrote: Hello all,
Up here in Brazil, we are working together with some guys from Portugal to improve and grow our openSUSE Portuguese language community in quality and numbers and one of our next steps is to make our Portuguese wiki
aligned with the global wiki page. Then we believe we need no more
Rajko First of all, really thanks for your reply more bellow ... page more than 3
users with full rights at http://pt.opensuse.org/MediaWiki:Mainpagerightcolumn to be able to migrate our wiki theme to "bento" for example. Is this possible? Makes sense?
Mainpagerightcolumn is not used in a new wiki layout.
ops thanks for the info
Also, As I mentioned we like to migrate our wiki theme to "bento"
Any clue
who is the best one to give a hand to us?
I'm sharing this info com others in our team, specially the wiki guys placed in cc: field
Is there anything we must do before this process happen?
Just use bug report to request wiki update to status of
en.opensuse.org . great, sounds pretty easy also for a wiki newbie like me ;-)
In bug report I mentioned discussion on this mail list about
preferred way
to update. There are 2 ways:
The way English wiki was updated, which to me is too complicated for
language wikis that have lesser contributors. The way is to create separate wiki that
will be used to transfer content that has some value.
http://dewiki.opensuse.org/Portal:Wiki that Henne takes as example of first way, is pretty empty and that is wiki with the highest number of contributors.
Advantages are explained in a bug report.
For me it is better to do in place update, in other words our wiki admin Matthew Ehle update software, install extensions, copy setup, and then wiki contributors: 1) translate new pages that does not exist in the old wiki and present backbone of the new organization (most Portals) 2) move old articles that have some value to new locations (SDB, openSUSE, Help) and leave articles that are distro presentation in Main namespace 3) move what has historic value to Archive namespace (name tells what is the
purpose :) 4) delete all that has no value (if in doubt, move to Archive)
Advantages this method are: 1) Faster move of content from current to future location; article move is much faster then export import as explained in http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Transfer_article .
Disadvantage is that editors have to create list of all articles and go by the list. Use of categories is probably the best way for this. There is
extension that allows mass edit of articles, so it should be no problem to add and remove categories. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MassEditRegex
First all articles will get [[Category:Old articles]] and that will be place
where those interested in transfer will look for job.
Depends on size of the wiki that category can be split in few subcategories.
Each team member can review list and choose what to work on by creating own category that will be subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]] and replacing
[[Category:Old articles]] with [[Category:Joe Doe]].
To make [[Category:Joe Doe]] subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]], just add [[Category:Old articles]] to the end of [[Category:Joe Doe]].
When job on transformation is done the [[Category:Joe Doe]] is removed from the article, which means that article is no more listed in subcategory of [[Category:Old articles]]. It starts to live in regular categories that are added independent from [[Category:Old articles]].
When all is done we can remove [[Category:Old articles]] and all subcategories.
I wish that we knew about Extension:MassEditRegex before we started wiki consolidation, but we didn't. We would be able to clean up wiki without new instance. New stuff will appear and replace old and disruption of services will be minimal. On the other hand it will be impossible to test all stuff that we did in a separate wiki instance. There will be uproar on each
change, and many changes will not survive, no matter how good they would be.
After this great explanations about new wiki structure and translation process I need to share it with my others teammates here to define the best way to work on translations page and make sure everyone here are on the same page. Thanks CarlosRIbeiro
best regards thanks CarlosRibeiro
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