Hi, Benji came up on IRC with the following suggestion: "The openSUSE project is...access to openSUSE. [no change]
Here you can find and join a community....most usable Linux. [added 'and join']
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise products. Check out Novell today for enterprise Linux solutions [changeg the binning till ..for Novell]
Thanks to Benji. I think that's proactive inviting people to join and it sounds more that openSUSE is good enough to be SLE base and does not have a notion of community = free developers for SLE. But still invite people to check out SLE.
Michael
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi, Benji came up on IRC with the following suggestion: "The openSUSE project is...access to openSUSE. [no change]
Here you can find and join a community....most usable Linux. [added 'and join']
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise products. Check out Novell today for enterprise Linux solutions [changeg the binning till ..for Novell]
Thanks to Benji. I think that's proactive inviting people to join and it sounds more that openSUSE is good enough to be SLE base and does not have a notion of community = free developers for SLE. But still invite people to check out SLE.
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Kind regards,
On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros francisg@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi, Benji came up on IRC with the following suggestion: "The openSUSE project is...access to openSUSE. [no change]
Here you can find and join a community....most usable Linux. [added 'and join']
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise products. Check out Novell today for enterprise Linux solutions [changeg the binning till ..for Novell]
Thanks to Benji. I think that's proactive inviting people to join and it sounds more that openSUSE is good enough to be SLE base and does not have a notion of community = free developers for SLE. But still invite people to check out SLE.
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed, while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Kind thoughts,
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros francisg@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi,
--snip--
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed, while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux Enterprise: Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products.
Okay? M
Kind thoughts,
On Thursday 21 June 2007 10:43, Michael Loeffler wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros francisg@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi,
--snip--
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed, while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux Enterprise: Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products.
Okay?
And remove "award-winning" Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux] products. Okay? M
M
Kind thoughts,
Michael Loeffler wrote:
Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise
I still think than the word "feed" is ambiguous. Who eats the other? remember the movie "we feed the world" (this title means more "we eat the world" than "we give food to the world")
may be only
the project used by Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise
but I think all this may be counter productive.
I work on an opensource project, I don't want to work for free for Novell. Any word saying that the free work will be used by a comercial product may be misunderstood.
Use by comercials of opensource projects is autorized, but not so popular against the opensource community. I remember problems with sites making copies of OpenOffice.org...
secondly, the very significance of the sentence seems odd.
it seems to say "you already know that Novells suse linux... is the best product ever, so you can trust openSUSE.
sorry, but this is stupid. Any Novells customer glad with it (and I expect many are) will... keep Novell products, why switch to openSUSE?
and nearly No non Novell customer know anything of SLES/SLED.
I would be much more usefull to say "The users of the world best Linux distro, openSUSE can have even more, a professional support and 7 years updates using the Novell openSUSE version, SLES/SLED".
Much more people know openSUSE than Novell SLES/SLED...
jdd
Den Thursday 21 June 2007 11:54:22 skrev Michael Loeffler:
Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux] products.
No. That sounds like "come and work for Novell enterprise products for free". That's not attractive to people. If there should be any mention of SLE it should be in a way that's advantagous to openSUSE like: "Novells award winning enterprise products use openSUSE as their codebase."
However like jdd I have doubts about the whole deal. Like potential enterprise customers are going to be shopping around on opensuse.org?
I'm not sure that too much mention of SLE really does any good - my associations with it are mostly ZMD/10.1-disaster, GNOME, patents and Microsoft.. needless to say those are not particularly pleasant associations.
I doubt that promoting SLE on opensuse.org will help anybody - neither sell more SLE nor attract people to openSUSE. But if someone slick with words can phrase it in a way that makes it sound like a seal of quality for openSUSE I'm ok with it.
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On 6/21/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 20:48, Francis Giannaros wrote:
On 6/20/07, Francis Giannaros francisg@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi,
--snip--
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Another idea might be to make "SUSE Linux Enterprise" link to novell.com/linux, in which case the last advert sentence isn't needed, while we still get in the good touch of noting that it's the base for SUSE Linux Enterprise.
Sounds good. So just removing last sentence and link out of SUSE Linux Enterprise: Come be a part of the project that feeds into Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise [novell.com/linux) products.
Okay?
I was thinking about using the formulation you originally proposed in the thread instead, with the link. So:
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning [http://novell.com/linux SUSE Linux Enterprise] products.
As jdd said, a link to award winning might be a good idea if there already is such a page.
Kind thoughts,
Francis Giannaros wrote:
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning [http://novell.com/linux SUSE Linux Enterprise] products.
this is much better
jdd
On Wednesday 20 June 2007 13:43, Francis Giannaros wrote:
On 6/20/07, Michael Loeffler michl@novell.com wrote:
Hi, Benji came up on IRC with the following suggestion: "The openSUSE project is...access to openSUSE. [no change]
Here you can find and join a community....most usable Linux. [added 'and join']
openSUSE also provides the base for Novell's award-winning SUSE Linux Enterprise products. Check out Novell today for enterprise Linux solutions [changeg the binning till ..for Novell]
Thanks to Benji. I think that's proactive inviting people to join and it sounds more that openSUSE is good enough to be SLE base and does not have a notion of community = free developers for SLE. But still invite people to check out SLE.
I agree that the formulation proposed here is better, as it's not as easily open to misinterpretation, but I still think that an advert for SLE in openSUSE's main description is odd. Perhaps SLE could get a mention below in a new section (similar to the Report Bugs, Featured Articles ones)? I'm not really sure though, and I don't feel strongly about this. Thoughts?
Kind regards,
Invitation to see enterprise products is important for our sponsor and your idea to put it right below green box would be visible enough and more appropriate.
*********************** ==openSUSE and Novell== The openSUSE is a serious project, it provides the base for [Novell's SUSE Linux Enterprise products]. [Check them out]. [More info] [Trial] [Buy]
Any similarity is intentional :-) *********************** I would drop "our award wininning", it is so misused that makes more damage than use, unless it is a link to page with awards.
This sounds to me good for both sides.
Thoughts?
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