Re: [opensuse-wiki] Testing FlaggedRevs Wiki QA
Jim, 2010/3/3 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Something to keep in mind on this is if there is a corresponding NNTP group for this forum, the auto-merge should take place (ideally) before the new RSS feed message is posted - otherwise you'll end up with message inconsistencies (as they'll be threaded on the web side and not on the NNTP side).
Very important feedback and something I neglected so far, thanks. That means (unfortuntely) that we'll be unable to hack the merging of threads after posting and thus we obviously need to go along with it (for now). Or do we have other ideas on the table? All, we now have (more or less) a precise overview of the capabilities of the vbulletin side and thus I'd like to get started testing. We'd need at least involvement from Tom, Rajko, one or more forums admins, Remy/Jon. When can we get started with this? Any remaining blockers? What about scheduling some realtime meeting on IRC while testing this? Please provide any feedback and general availability of involved parties. I myself will go along with whatever date/time (be it during the week or at a weekend) Thanks a lot in advance, R PS: Remy, sorry, but monkey business seems to be needed here. Seems we should recruit at least one other Forums mod for the wiki forum.
Jim
On 3/3/2010 at 00:33, in message <26d1a5471003022333s61a19d11pf60fb0728bf80cae@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: Jim,
2010/2/26 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Looking in the admin interface, it looks pretty straightforward to set up a feed; it's not a custom bot, but part of the admin functionality in vBulletin. We'd need to create a forum for the feed to feed into and the URL to the XML doc that provides the RSS feed.
We could test this in the sandbox and then reset it for a public feed view.
Actually that's exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as we thought the "hack-possibilities" to auto-merge the thread whole through. Grabbing the feed and posting doesn't seem to be an issue, providing RSS with Hermes is fine as well. Remaining and most important now is to investigate the re-opening/merging of subsequent threads related to one single article "foobar"
All,
vBulletin doc is at http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/
Best, R
Jim
-- Jim Henderson Program Manager, Novell Testing Novell, Inc.
On 2/26/2010 at 05:48, in message <26d1a5471002260448o5b6afa85r76f3e24021a7436b@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: All,
2010/2/25 Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>:
According to http://www.vbulletin.com/ this is a commercial product, I cannot even download the documentation... So we need the technical forums admin to do that.
I just got notice from Kim that he's rather unavailable these days due to too much on the plate atm. That said, I'll ask him about the forumsbot configuration capabilities in a private conversation and forward the answers to you. Also I try to get the vBulletin documentation we need from him. Furthermore I herewith CC: the rest of the admin team in order to ask for their involvement. Please keep the CC: as is. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Forums admins,
we need some help/input regarding the FlaggedRevs Wiki QA, i.e. the configuration capabilities of the RSS forumsbot. Kim is rather busy these days, so I'm wondering if you, Carl, John, Jim would be able to jump in as an interim replacement?
In order to sync up with the current discussion, please read this thread [1]
Thanks, R
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-02/msg00069.html
-- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On 03/04/2010 03:43 PM, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Jim,
2010/3/3 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Something to keep in mind on this is if there is a corresponding NNTP group for this forum, the auto-merge should take place (ideally) before the new RSS feed message is posted - otherwise you'll end up with message inconsistencies (as they'll be threaded on the web side and not on the NNTP side).
Very important feedback and something I neglected so far, thanks. That means (unfortuntely) that we'll be unable to hack the merging of threads after posting and thus we obviously need to go along with it (for now). Or do we have other ideas on the table?
All,
we now have (more or less) a precise overview of the capabilities of the vbulletin side and thus I'd like to get started testing. We'd need at least involvement from Tom, Rajko, one or more forums admins, Remy/Jon. When can we get started with this? Any remaining blockers? What about scheduling some realtime meeting on IRC while testing this?
Please provide any feedback and general availability of involved parties. I myself will go along with whatever date/time (be it during the week or at a weekend)
Thanks a lot in advance,
I added some links that may help for the reviewing process at the bottom of http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_guidelines There is an rss feed for updates to reviewed pages here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:OldReviewedPages&feed=rss&namespace=&level=&category= but unfortunately i found none for unreviewed new pages. But we could use the standard feed for new pages in the Main namespace I think: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=rss&namespace=0 What advantages do we have from the import of these feeds into the forum? For a meeting: I am 'digitltom' on freenode, hanging at least in #opensuse-project most of the day. Greetings
R
PS: Remy, sorry, but monkey business seems to be needed here. Seems we should recruit at least one other Forums mod for the wiki forum.
Jim
On 3/3/2010 at 00:33, in message <26d1a5471003022333s61a19d11pf60fb0728bf80cae@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: Jim,
2010/2/26 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Looking in the admin interface, it looks pretty straightforward to set up a feed; it's not a custom bot, but part of the admin functionality in vBulletin. We'd need to create a forum for the feed to feed into and the URL to the XML doc that provides the RSS feed.
We could test this in the sandbox and then reset it for a public feed view.
Actually that's exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as we thought the "hack-possibilities" to auto-merge the thread whole through. Grabbing the feed and posting doesn't seem to be an issue, providing RSS with Hermes is fine as well. Remaining and most important now is to investigate the re-opening/merging of subsequent threads related to one single article "foobar"
All,
vBulletin doc is at http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/
Best, R
Jim
-- Jim Henderson Program Manager, Novell Testing Novell, Inc.
> On 2/26/2010 at 05:48, in message <26d1a5471002260448o5b6afa85r76f3e24021a7436b@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: All,
2010/2/25 Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>:
According to http://www.vbulletin.com/ this is a commercial product, I cannot even download the documentation... So we need the technical forums admin to do that.
I just got notice from Kim that he's rather unavailable these days due to too much on the plate atm. That said, I'll ask him about the forumsbot configuration capabilities in a private conversation and forward the answers to you. Also I try to get the vBulletin documentation we need from him. Furthermore I herewith CC: the rest of the admin team in order to ask for their involvement. Please keep the CC: as is. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Forums admins,
we need some help/input regarding the FlaggedRevs Wiki QA, i.e. the configuration capabilities of the RSS forumsbot. Kim is rather busy these days, so I'm wondering if you, Carl, John, Jim would be able to jump in as an interim replacement?
In order to sync up with the current discussion, please read this thread [1]
Thanks, R
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-02/msg00069.html
-- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2010/3/4 Thomas Schmidt <tschmidt@suse.de>:
I added some links that may help for the reviewing process at the bottom of http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_guidelines
There is an rss feed for updates to reviewed pages here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:OldReviewedPages&feed=rss&namespace=&level=&category=
but unfortunately i found none for unreviewed new pages. But we could use the standard feed for new pages in the Main namespace I think: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=rss&namespace=0
What advantages do we have from the import of these feeds into the forum?
This is our new Wiki QA concept. As you know, we use FlaggedRevs extension to flag articles as "sighted", i.e. as approved openSUSE documentation resource. Feeding the changes (i.e. new articles and major edits to existing ones) to the forums is our approach to implement a proof-reading, reviewing mechanism before new articles get a "sighted" flag. Imagine you create a new page about "foobar", you should get feedback from the community about the technical relevance, correctness, the visual presentation, the ease of explanation etc. etc. in order to provide you (the editor) an opportunity to improve your article on community feedback. We hope to come up with higher quality articles that way (four eyes recognize more than just two) and the general former approach with the "sighted" flag that everyone could just jump in and provide semi-professional or in the worst case plain wrong information as openSUSE documentation. We try to achieve an overall quality improvement here just by implementing a reviewing + approval process. HTH
For a meeting: I am 'digitltom' on freenode, hanging at least in #opensuse-project most of the day.
Thanks. I doubt we'll manage it this weekend already as we had too less time to sync all interested parties. Best, R
Greetings
R
PS: Remy, sorry, but monkey business seems to be needed here. Seems we should recruit at least one other Forums mod for the wiki forum.
Jim
On 3/3/2010 at 00:33, in message <26d1a5471003022333s61a19d11pf60fb0728bf80cae@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: Jim,
2010/2/26 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Looking in the admin interface, it looks pretty straightforward to set up a feed; it's not a custom bot, but part of the admin functionality in vBulletin. We'd need to create a forum for the feed to feed into and the URL to the XML doc that provides the RSS feed.
We could test this in the sandbox and then reset it for a public feed view.
Actually that's exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as we thought the "hack-possibilities" to auto-merge the thread whole through. Grabbing the feed and posting doesn't seem to be an issue, providing RSS with Hermes is fine as well. Remaining and most important now is to investigate the re-opening/merging of subsequent threads related to one single article "foobar"
All,
vBulletin doc is at http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/
Best, R
Jim
-- Jim Henderson Program Manager, Novell Testing Novell, Inc.
>> On 2/26/2010 at 05:48, in message <26d1a5471002260448o5b6afa85r76f3e24021a7436b@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: All,
2010/2/25 Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>: > > According to http://www.vbulletin.com/ this is a > commercial product, I cannot even download the documentation... > So we need the technical forums admin to do that. > I just got notice from Kim that he's rather unavailable these days due to too much on the plate atm. That said, I'll ask him about the forumsbot configuration capabilities in a private conversation and forward the answers to you. Also I try to get the vBulletin documentation we need from him. Furthermore I herewith CC: the rest of the admin team in order to ask for their involvement. Please keep the CC: as is. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Forums admins,
we need some help/input regarding the FlaggedRevs Wiki QA, i.e. the configuration capabilities of the RSS forumsbot. Kim is rather busy these days, so I'm wondering if you, Carl, John, Jim would be able to jump in as an interim replacement?
In order to sync up with the current discussion, please read this thread [1]
Thanks, R
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-02/msg00069.html
-- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." Pablo Picasso -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
-- Rupert Horstkötter, open-slx gmbh openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2010/3/5 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org>:
2010/3/4 Thomas Schmidt <tschmidt@suse.de>:
I added some links that may help for the reviewing process at the bottom of http://en.opensuse.org/Transition_guidelines
There is an rss feed for updates to reviewed pages here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:OldReviewedPages&feed=rss&namespace=&level=&category=
but unfortunately i found none for unreviewed new pages. But we could use the standard feed for new pages in the Main namespace I think: http://wiki.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=rss&namespace=0
What advantages do we have from the import of these feeds into the forum?
This is our new Wiki QA concept. As you know, we use FlaggedRevs extension to flag articles as "sighted", i.e. as approved openSUSE documentation resource. Feeding the changes (i.e. new articles and major edits to existing ones) to the forums is our approach to implement a proof-reading, reviewing mechanism before new articles get a "sighted" flag. Imagine you create a new page about "foobar", you should get feedback from the community about the technical relevance, correctness, the visual presentation, the ease of explanation etc. etc. in order to provide you (the editor) an opportunity to improve your article on community feedback. We hope to come up with higher quality articles that way (four eyes recognize more than just two) and
Err, s/and/and to get rid of
the general former approach with the "sighted" flag that everyone could just jump in and provide semi-professional or in the worst case plain wrong information as openSUSE documentation. We try to achieve an overall quality improvement here just by implementing a reviewing + approval process.
HTH
For a meeting: I am 'digitltom' on freenode, hanging at least in #opensuse-project most of the day.
Thanks. I doubt we'll manage it this weekend already as we had too less time to sync all interested parties.
Best, R
Greetings
R
PS: Remy, sorry, but monkey business seems to be needed here. Seems we should recruit at least one other Forums mod for the wiki forum.
Jim
> On 3/3/2010 at 00:33, in message <26d1a5471003022333s61a19d11pf60fb0728bf80cae@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: Jim,
2010/2/26 Jim Henderson <jhenderson@novell.com>:
Looking in the admin interface, it looks pretty straightforward to set up a feed; it's not a custom bot, but part of the admin functionality in vBulletin. We'd need to create a forum for the feed to feed into and the URL to the XML doc that provides the RSS feed.
We could test this in the sandbox and then reset it for a public feed view.
Actually that's exactly what I'm planning to do as soon as we thought the "hack-possibilities" to auto-merge the thread whole through. Grabbing the feed and posting doesn't seem to be an issue, providing RSS with Hermes is fine as well. Remaining and most important now is to investigate the re-opening/merging of subsequent threads related to one single article "foobar"
All,
vBulletin doc is at http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/
Best, R
Jim
-- Jim Henderson Program Manager, Novell Testing Novell, Inc.
>>> On 2/26/2010 at 05:48, in message <26d1a5471002260448o5b6afa85r76f3e24021a7436b@mail.gmail.com>, Rupert Horstkötter<rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org> wrote: > All, > > 2010/2/25 Thomas Schmidt <tom@opensuse.org>: >> >> According to http://www.vbulletin.com/ this is a >> commercial product, I cannot even download the documentation... >> So we need the technical forums admin to do that. >> > I just got notice from Kim that he's rather unavailable these days due > to too much on the plate atm. That said, I'll ask him about the > forumsbot configuration capabilities in a private conversation and > forward the answers to you. Also I try to get the vBulletin > documentation we need from him. Furthermore I herewith CC: the rest of > the admin team in order to ask for their involvement. Please keep the > CC: as is. I'm sorry for the inconvenience. > > Forums admins, > > we need some help/input regarding the FlaggedRevs Wiki QA, i.e. the > configuration capabilities of the RSS forumsbot. Kim is rather busy > these days, so I'm wondering if you, Carl, John, Jim would be able to > jump in as an interim replacement? > > In order to sync up with the current discussion, please read this thread [1] > > Thanks, > R > > [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-wiki/2010-02/msg00069.html
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