[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Team Meeting 091030 - Meeting Minutes
Team, here are the meeting minutes for our Wiki Team Meeting #1 on Friday, the 30th of October 2009 at 17:00 UTC. We got started to discuss the usability concept for the openSUSE wiki. Please feel free to add important details I maybe missed. #1 – QA process: FlaggedRevs VS Sandboxing approach (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Fsundermeyer?) We haven't finally decided (yet) which one (FlaggedRevs or Sandboxing) to implement as our QA process. There is a general tendency by the team to go for the sandboxing approach (and in parallel implement the wiki forum for reviewing purposes), but we'd like to give everyone another opportunity to voice their opinion at opensuse-wiki ML - rhorstkoetter is responsible to kickoff the discussion here. Furthermore, we're in general agreement that we need to implement the QA process and would appreciate to get a testing enviroment (FSundermeyer?) for both Sandbox and FlaggedRevs to be able to gather experiences with both of them. #2 – Guidelines (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Shayon) Guidelines will be created to provide wiki editors an understanding about proper design, formulation, conception and syntax of wiki articles. The use of templates needs to explained and an overview about the implemented QA will be given. The content of Guidelines depends on several things we still need to agree on (e.g. The QA Process) and are therefore a working draft. Rhorstkoetter is responsible to come up with a draft in co-work with Shayon. We'll gather ideas at Wikipedia and ubuntuusers.de and see what's sufficient here for our Usecase – Licenses need to be discovered here for imaginable Re-Use. #3 – Frontpage/Portal (Assignee: rhorstkoetter, Shayon) We'd like to replace the current http://en.opensuse.org with a Portal to openSUSE documentation resources (the wiki) while offloading content from the current http://en.opensuse.org to http://www.opensuse.org – a two-column layout is desirable. Jbrockmeier requested to leave the sponsor links and move them to the right column if possible - rhorstkoetter will sync this with the webteam. Shayon is responsible for the development of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies – see #4. Once this is done, the draft for the main Portal should be pushed to the marketing- and webteams for smooting out the design, language and overall appearence of the Portal. The guidelines will be prominently placed at the main portal. Finally we'd like to have an openSUSE-like http://tinyurl.com/y8gh6hj - just to get a general idea. #4 – Wiki-Projects/Wikipedia-like Portals (Assignee: Federico Mena, Petr, John) We'll implement Wiki-Projects and Wikipedia-like Portals for deeper content hierarchies (as a complement to the main Portal – see #3). We desire to create such Portals for the big openSUSE projects like KDE, Gnome, YaST, Education etc. as well as major categories. The exact concept is courtesy of Federico Mena and Petr (Booster effort). John is interested and welcome to contribute here. Federico's navboxes should be worked into this effort. Federico/Petr should keep in touch with Shayon to sync with the main Portal efforts (to ensure overall consistency) #5 – Strengthen the Wiki team (Assignee: rhorstkoetter) We'll reach out to the Community with an announcement "why (good) documentation matters". We'd like to raise people's attention on the importance of good documentation to the sucess of the openSUSE project and the convenience of the end user. Jbrockmeier proposed to come up with a mentoring program for wiki editors/contributors. Petr proposed the adoption of OBS Junior Jobs to wiki tasks. We're in agreement that a Wiki Team Member should work in a moderating, supporting and mentoring capacity - at least that's the major task (besides actual wiki editing) Wiki Team Members should focus on. #6 – MediaWiki Extensions (Assignee: FSundermeyer, cboltz) FSundermeyer requested input on http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions – cboltz already started a discussion at opensuse-wiki ML. We certainly desire to maintain as less extensions as possible. FlaggedRevs (see #1) and Semantic MediaWiki are well-maintained and thus possible to implement. Please jump into the discussion started by cboltz. #7 – Templates (Assignee: Shayon, John) Kálmán proposed http://tinyurl.com/ycwx8cj as an approach to give an overview about available templates and we decided to adopt this for the main wiki. The Overview page will be linked from within the Guidelines (see #2). Shayon is responsible to review existing templates and sort them as proposed by Kálmán. We need to think about obsolete templates, desired templates, etc. John is interested and welcome to contribute here. Some of the major wiki contributor unfortunately haven't managed to join the Meeting and their efforts are certainly needed and appreciated. Please contact the respective assignees of topics to jump in and contribute. That certainly applies to EVERYONE interested – we need a LOT of helping hands to make the openSUSE wiki a better place (and finally achieve openSUSE world domination, smile). Every helping hand contributing to this usability concept (which is a HUGE task) counts and is very welcome to join the efforts. JFYI, I just updated http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Meetings and linked the Meeting transcript (thanks Shayon) and the agenda for archiving purposes and to give people the opportunity to review the Meeting (again). The minutes will be linked there as well asap. Thanks, Rupert -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
#7 – Templates (Assignee: Shayon, John) Kálmán proposed http://tinyurl.com/ycwx8cj as an approach to give an overview about available templates and we decided to adopt this for the main wiki. The Overview page will be linked from within the Guidelines (see #2). Shayon is responsible to review existing templates and sort them as proposed by Kálmán. We need to think about obsolete templates, desired templates, etc. John is interested and welcome to contribute here.
I am more than happy to work on this. Shayon, John let me know how can I help. best kalman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 13:00:31 Kálmán Kéménczy wrote:
I am more than happy to work on this. Shayon, John let me know how can I help.
While I'm neither of called you can see what is done so far: http://en.opensuse.org/Templates The http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates is the thing that needs improvement, by adding more templates in daily use. The http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Template_Messages_to_Review needs more feedback, about templates that have no remark. I looked at Fosdem related and it needs attention of original author, but it is quite some work to contact authors of all templates for number of hours that I can give to the wiki. Also table "Language/Translation Check Templates" on above page contain some templates that need checkup and some should be moved to proper name, like http://en.opensuse.org/Template:DownloadArch-RO to http://en.opensuse.org/Template:RO-DownloadArch with correction of links in original page, so that bad one can be deleted. Besides http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&from=&namespace=10 has a lot more templates that are not checked. So if you want to help, there is a lot of work just to cleanup existing selection :-) -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:18:54 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Shayon is responsible for the development of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies
I guess that besides graphical part my contribution will be necessary too :) Categorization is problem that I run into at least 2 times, but with bigger company now that should be no problem. Henne started the thread "RFC: Content Structure" that I'll have time to answer after I go trough many details it has, so nothing today. Also, I have to skip for now answer on other parts of Meeting Minutes that I would like to comment. -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Rajko, 2009/11/4 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:18:54 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Shayon is responsible for the development of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies
I guess that besides graphical part my contribution will be necessary too :)
Definitely :-)
Categorization is problem that I run into at least 2 times, but with bigger company now that should be no problem. Henne started the thread "RFC: Content Structure" that I'll have time to answer after I go trough many details it has, so nothing today.
I've seen this (Henne's topic) as well and will go through and comment asap.
Also, I have to skip for now answer on other parts of Meeting Minutes that I would like to comment.
Much appreciated. I'm really looking forward to your input. Best, R
-- Regards, Rajko
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Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 03 November 2009 09:18:54 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Shayon is responsible for the development of http://en.opensuse.org/Portal_New, Rajko's contribution would be desirable here. We need to focus on proper categorization (provide as less categories at the main Portal as possible for usability purposes) while utilizing wiki-portals/projects for deeper hierarchies
I guess that besides graphical part my contribution will be necessary too :)
Yes absolutely , as without you this thing wont get a success :-)
Categorization is problem that I run into at least 2 times, but with bigger company now that should be no problem. Henne started the thread "RFC: Content Structure" that I'll have time to answer after I go trough many details it has, so nothing today.
Well i now i also see that its good one!
Also, I have to skip for now answer on other parts of Meeting Minutes that I would like to comment.
Best, Shayon -- openSUSE Wiki Team Member http://en.opensuse.org/User:Wwarlock Website: http://www.shay0n.hpage.com Email: hkwarlock@gmail.com Twitter: wwarl0ck -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
participants (4)
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Kálmán Kéménczy
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Rajko M.
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Rupert Horstkötter
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Shayon