[opensuse-wiki] RFC: Language wikis with low or no activity
I got task to see what we can do about language wikis that have no enough maintainers, if any, for some time. http://vi.opensuse.org/ is absolute champion - unmaintained for a year. My proposal is to take it off line. For the rest listed below we can look for maintainers. http://is.opensuse.org/ last change was on 12. jan. 2009 http://tr.opensuse.org/ last change was on 2. april 2009 (user question) The 2 below are not very active, but nothing like previous: http://hu.opensuse.org/ need few more hands. Last changes are minor edits on Weekly news, issue 74 (current 75). http://cs.opensuse.org/ there is 1 change in last 30 days. -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 June 2009 11:37:59 Rajko M. wrote: Hi,
I got task to see what we can do about language wikis that have no enough maintainers, if any, for some time.
http://vi.opensuse.org/ is absolute champion - unmaintained for a year. My proposal is to take it off line.
http://el.opensuse.org/ is also unmaintained - the only edits that were made in the last 365 days were redirects to en.opensuse.org
For the rest listed below we can look for maintainers. http://is.opensuse.org/ last change was on 12. jan. 2009 http://tr.opensuse.org/ last change was on 2. april 2009 (user question)
http://fi.opensuse.org/ 13 edits in the last year
The 2 below are not very active, but nothing like previous: http://hu.opensuse.org/ need few more hands. Last changes are minor edits on Weekly news, issue 74 (current 75). http://cs.opensuse.org/ there is 1 change in last 30 days.
http://pl.opensuse.org/ Recent activities restricted to the Weekly News -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
http://fi.opensuse.org/ 13 edits in the last year
Well, i think reason is this http://opensuse.fi/ , we have active finnish community, but 2 wikis, offical and unoffical. Im sysop at fi.opensuse.org, but i confess, i havent got time to update it much, sorry. Whole wiki cant be one mans project. But go ahead, close it if you like. Jan-Olof Eriksson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 June 2009 13:30:47 Jan-Olof Eriksson wrote: Hi,
http://fi.opensuse.org/ 13 edits in the last year
Well, i think reason is this http://opensuse.fi/ , we have active finnish community, but 2 wikis, offical and unoffical.
Im sysop at fi.opensuse.org, but i confess, i havent got time to update it much, sorry. Whole wiki cant be one mans project. But go ahead, close it if you like.
from your email address I guess you are also involved in http://opensuse.fi/ ;-) and I also guess that this wiki has more contributors than the official one. IMHO it does not make sense to have two wikis for one language. If no one objects. I would suggest that you remove the existing pages and put a text like: This wiki has been closed down. Please visit either the official openSUSE wiki in English or the unofficial Finish openSUSE wiki. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Frank Sundermeyer kirjoitti:
from your email address I guess you are also involved in http://opensuse.fi/ ;-) and I also guess that this wiki has more contributors than the official one.
Yes, true.
IMHO it does not make sense to have two wikis for one language.
Also true.
If no one objects. I would suggest that you remove the existing pages and put a text like:
This wiki has been closed down. Please visit either the official openSUSE wiki in English or the unofficial Finish openSUSE wiki.
Sounds like a good plan, ill do that. J-O.E -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 05 June 2009 06:50:32 am Frank Sundermeyer wrote: ...
This wiki has been closed down. Please visit either the official openSUSE wiki in English or the unofficial Finish openSUSE wiki.
I think that we should apply the similar procedure for: * http://vi.opensuse.org * http://is.opensuse.org * http://el.opensuse.org * http://tr.opensuse.org just in case that someone is willing to take maintainership of it. Put banner on it instructing people that wiki is not maintained and currently closed, and that they can use en.o.o, or subscribe to opensuse-wiki mail list and ask to be wiki maintainers. Let banner hang for another 6 months and if nobody steps up use wiki installation for different purpose (if possible/viable). The http://vi.opensuse.org is already out of maintenance for quite some time, so it can be reasonable to shut it down earlier then other. We have to think how to handle that in the future: 1) Create solution for wiki article translators without administrative overhead added by separate wiki. Something like translation repository where people can translate article and mark them with language code. So far I recall there was idea about babel.o.o as such place. The workflow should be very simple: - article title is <lang>-<Traslated Title> - first comment: Translated from http://en.opensuse.org/<Original Title> - add link to en.o.o 2) Establish rule how many translators and maintainers is needed before creation of language wiki. Asking for certain number of volunteers and setting higher goal on number of translated article can prevent one man shows, that sooner or later fail. -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hi Rajko,
The 2 below are not very active, but nothing like previous: http://hu.opensuse.org/ need few more hands. Last changes are minor edits on Weekly news, issue 74 (current 75).
I am the maintainer of the Hungarian wiki. I know there are no frequent changes. But first of all we should declare what is the main purpose of the wiki. What kind of information should be there and what kind of structure we need. I think wiki is like a book, a kind of jumpstart for openSUSE users and e.g. localized openSUSE Weekly News is not fits to wiki infrastructure. But we have a complete SUSE book in the wiki: http://hu.opensuse.org/Dokumentáció/SL9.3 and I would like to add the new book (openSUSE 11.1 Reference guide). Imho as a maintainer my task is to provide a wiki for Hungarian community, the structure, the rules etc. and not the content itself. However I miss some guideline to judge which information should be on wiki (on preferred structure), which on a portal, which should appear on other communication channel. It means there is no communication strategy for locale maintainers and strategy and guides who could we involve more volunteers. Maybe these information is already there I just did not stumble in. I am really looking for some instruction how should we do it better. thanks kalman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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Rajko M.