[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Cleanup Todo
I just want to make sure we are keeping up the conversation and getting some of the important information in a central place. As we read from Frank S, categories alone aren't the best route for the wiki overhaul and we know editing of all articles and re-categorizing them is unsatisfying work. So Rajko's proposed Portal idea is a solution that may be more tolerable. This is a lot of work for one person so recruiting more wiki editors is a must. Rajko mentioned the Wiki Team pages says the wiki team is a loose group of people. This may need to be redefined. If we can have a groups of people to work on certain sections of the portal it will divide the work and ease the workload on all of us. So the other question Rajko brought up is where do we recruit these dedicated wiki editors? A summary of all of this: * We have the openSUSE:Popular Topics page which we need to overview and determine the 5-10 most important areas of interest and make dedicated portal pages to these topics. * The openSUSE:Category_Hierarchy page should still be worked on. The category tree can then be used in the Portal. * Recruit our first actual wiki team(s). Announce on mailing lists, forums, the main page. We probably need to come up with our portal categories before we recruit the respective teams. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 08:42:18 pm Josh wrote:
I just want to make sure we are keeping up the conversation and getting some of the important information in a central place.
As we read from Frank S, categories alone aren't the best route for the wiki overhaul and we know editing of all articles and re-categorizing them is unsatisfying work.
So Rajko's proposed Portal idea is a solution that may be more tolerable. This is a lot of work for one person so recruiting more wiki editors is a must. Rajko mentioned the Wiki Team pages says the wiki team is a loose group of people. This may need to be redefined.
If we can have a groups of people to work on certain sections of the portal it will divide the work and ease the workload on all of us. So the other question Rajko brought up is where do we recruit these dedicated wiki editors?
A summary of all of this: * We have the openSUSE:Popular Topics page which we need to overview and determine the 5-10 most important areas of interest and make dedicated portal pages to these topics.
* The openSUSE:Category_Hierarchy page should still be worked on. The category tree can then be used in the Portal.
* Recruit our first actual wiki team(s). Announce on mailing lists, forums, the main page. We probably need to come up with our portal categories before we recruit the respective teams.
This was written yesterday, but my provider could not take mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Excellent. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wiki_Tasks On the wiki we can track execution, add items and have archive. The article is on openSUSE name space as the other 2, to keep Main name space as clean as possible. It could be similar to Mettings. Let me add something. Sorting of articles that talk about openSUSE versions and cleanup of articles that have version dependent information. There is: Factory Current = 10.3 Supported = 10.2 and 10.1 Obsolete =< 10.0 I guess SDB has usable organization in this regard. One of ideas would be to include version information in title. That means duplication of some articles, and the problem gets worse if there is desktop dependable information. Classic examples are Compiz, ATI and Nvidia articles. On the other hand with title: Compiz Fusion KDE 10.3 we get linear article that is easy to follow without conditional branches "If you use KDE than ....." and "This is for openSUSE 10.2 ...." statements. a) The other approach would be to use subpages. So title would be Compiz Fusion and than Compiz Fusion/10.3 KDE. b) Third approach would be to use different titles, but create template {{Compiz Fusion Main}} that can be edited for all other articles, and than version and dektop specific part in Compiz Fusion KDE 10.3. Main article Compiz Fusion would be group of links to actuall articles. c) Combination of a) and b) would be probably the most attractive for browsing. I consider subpages as additional information to main page, not as a browsing tree and this would be the case of proper usage. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote:
One of ideas would be to include version information in title. That means duplication of some articles, and the problem gets worse if there is desktop dependable information. Classic examples are Compiz, ATI and Nvidia articles. On the other hand with title: Compiz Fusion KDE 10.3 we get linear article that is easy to follow without conditional branches "If you use KDE than ....." and "This is for openSUSE 10.2 ...." statements.
a) The other approach would be to use subpages. So title would be Compiz Fusion and than Compiz Fusion/10.3 KDE.
b) Third approach would be to use different titles, but create template {{Compiz Fusion Main}} that can be edited for all other articles, and than version and dektop specific part in Compiz Fusion KDE 10.3. Main article Compiz Fusion would be group of links to actuall articles.
c) Combination of a) and b) would be probably the most attractive for browsing. I consider subpages as additional information to main page, not as a browsing tree and this would be the case of proper usage.
I completely support using option C! A combination of templates and subpages would result in a much more attractive and organized setup. I think this would be a great idea. "Sorting Version Dependent Articles", or something similar should be added to the Wiki Tasks page. Using method C sounds like our best bet. Also, Rajko, did you get a chance to see my update to Popular Pages project page? I went through the list of most viewed pages and tried to add most viewed pages to topics which could be used as Portal pages or something similar. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 28 February 2008 06:19:06 pm Josh wrote:
I completely support using option C! A combination of templates and subpages would result in a much more attractive and organized setup. I think this would be a great idea.
The only thing that I don't like by subpages is ugly, oversized title that resembles on path. I would really like that subpages weren't used that much.
"Sorting Version Dependent Articles", or something similar should be added to the Wiki Tasks page. Using method C sounds like our best bet.
I'll add that tonight.
Also, Rajko, did you get a chance to see my update to Popular Pages project page? I went through the list of most viewed pages and tried to add most viewed pages to topics which could be used as Portal pages or something similar.
"Bugs:Most Annoying Bugs (322,469 views) (Is this placement questionable?)" No it isn't. They belong to download section as savy user would like to know can he/she handle current status of distro before download. They also belong to Installation, just as reminder what to expect, and Configuration to know what will not work, or to apply workarounds rightaway. Yes, I did. I checked wiki for changes, before sending mail, to prevent misunderstanding. It looks good. I would move (not copy) articles from the unsorted to sorted area, so that we know what is done. It would be probably most productive to create some Portal pages like: Portal:Download Portal:Install openSuSE Portal:Hardware Portal:Software Management Portal:Graphics (Graphics sounds the best with subtopics 3D and Eye Candy) Portal:Help etc, and start to populate them. Later on we can go back to question how to organize layout. Note "Portal:" it is namespace Portal. It doesn't exist in the list, but I guess that Frank would not have major problem adding it. Frank? I'll try to sort articles in different ways localy and than publish. There is no problem with top 100 articles, but I want to catch often asked questions that are already answered with existing articles. That is the reason to expand list to top 500 instead of initial top 100. -- Regards, Rajko. See http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
I have sorted the openSUSE:Popular Topics page into a few main topics. I am sure there are many improvements that could be made. It would be easier to spot these if we have another pair of eyes look over the page. I first created the top level topics and then went through and cleaned those up a bit by adding subtopics and moving some articles around. I am still not sure how these will translate into portal pages though. Rajko, I'm sure you have a better idea than me since it is your creation! :) Also, we have to deal with the version dependent articles which are scattered through the page. So maybe once we get the Portal namespace, and start turning those topics into portal pages, we can finally recruit some editors. On the subject of creating our new wiki team: Maybe we should have a page of requirements for becoming part of wiki team. Nothing discriminating, just things like you must subscribe to the wiki mailinglist, reading the style guide, understand how wiki editing works, etc. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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