[opensuse-wiki] Wiki Transition + Next Meeting
Team, as a follow-up to the thread "ATTENTION: please keep organization in mind" I posted one week ago to the list, I'd like to summarize what we have and what we need to do next. 1. Rajko did in awesome job with the evaluation of FlaggedRevs extension and his result is promising. If there are no complaints, we'll use this extension for our QA process in combination with the Wiki Forum at forums.o.o I currently take care of (see 1a). Rajko provided a showcase of FlaggedRevs at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Extension_FlaggedRevs General information is at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:FlaggedRevs 1a. I myself discussed the creation of the Wiki Forum (see 1) at forums.o.o with the Forums Team and it now should be just a matter of bureaucracy it get it live - I got great support from the Forums Team here. The current request is to press the button once we need the Wiki Forum in place. 2. Rajko, Shayon and Remy already made good progress with the wiki-templates. The result is available at http://en.opensuse.org/Template and http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates. We still need to think about an article-template to ensure a consistent look&feel of Tutorial pages. 3. As soon as possible I'll get started with the creation of the Guidelines. I'd appreciate any helping hand interested in contributing here. We need to explain the proper Wiki Usage, the creation of articles from a design, formulation, conception and syntax perspective. The Templates need to be linked and the QA Process (FlaggedRevs in combination with the Wiki Forum) need to be explained in detail. I'll definitely need input from Wiki Seniors to explain the one or the other aspect. 4. If there are no complaints, we'll go for Henne's 3rd approach to start with a new instance from scratch, move just the content we want while taking care of a consistent look&feel, the conformity of Tutorials with the principles defined in the Guidelines and the Content Structure Henne proposed earlier (i.e. a variant of that). For your reference, here it is once again: Main -> Portal:11.2 -> /Features -> /Screenshots -> /Screenshots/KDE -> /Screenshots/UserDesktops -> /Press -> /SDB -> SDB:ASUS_WL-160N_USB_Wireless_Adapter -> keep older versions in $VERSION namespace e.g. 11.1:Features and 1.11:Screenshots/GNOME -> Portal:Project -> Project:Guiding Principles -> Project:Teams -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team -> Project:Teams/Boosters_Team/Tasks -> Project:Teams/GNOME -> Project:Teams/GNOME/Submitting_Bugs -> Project:Communication -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists -> Project:Communication/Mailinglists/Etiquette -> Project:Communication/Forums -> Project:Communication/IRC -> Project:Communication/Meetings -> Project:Communication/Meetings/Archive -> Project:Tools -> Project:Tools/Build Service -> Project:Tools/Build_Service/Concepts -> Portal:Wiki -> Meta::Structure -> Meta:Structure/Templates -> Meta:Structure/Namespaces -> Meta:Styleguide Remaining task here is to come up with transition guidelines. Petr/Henne? Shoud we do this in collaboration? 5. Frank needs input about http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions in order to get started with the fresh instance - we certainly need FlaggedRevs as our QA flagship but please provide input about the rest in order to support Frank. 6. Once we have everything in place and the new instance up and running we need to get started with http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages - select what we'd like to transfer, assure consistent design and categorize it into the new structure while utilizing the templates. So far the organizational things... That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank. Thus I won't schedule until I got input about availability of all parties - please tell me what time during the week is most appropriate for you. I myself prefer to schedule on CET evening to assure a sufficient time for american and indian participants (Shayon) while still have a sufficient time for european participants in place. Please, let's approximately target end of next week OR beginning of the week after next week. Thanks in advance for your support - I try to come up with a date/time that's appreciated by all parties. Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
1a. I myself discussed the creation of the Wiki Forum (see 1) at forums.o.o with the Forums Team and it now should be just a matter of bureaucracy it get it live - I got great support from the Forums Team here. The current request is to press the button once we need the Wiki Forum in place.
Forums are pretty much self contained as underlying software allows all from discussion to storing HOWTOs, but wiki is designed to be article writing tool, so it is probably more appropriate for creating documents. The idea to use comments from Forums users is good, but we have to help that creating feedback is very easy. That, of course, will create some unwanted side effects, like easier way to troll, but you can't have it all. Wiki side: feedback link to forum. Is it possible to link to article that is not already there? Something like link that will create post with subject line predefined? Forums: message that links to article that should be reviewed, corrected. That way we would have 2 way connection for feedback. The other is search and indexes on the both sides. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Rajko, 2009/11/20 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
1a. I myself discussed the creation of the Wiki Forum (see 1) at forums.o.o with the Forums Team and it now should be just a matter of bureaucracy it get it live - I got great support from the Forums Team here. The current request is to press the button once we need the Wiki Forum in place.
Forums are pretty much self contained as underlying software allows all from discussion to storing HOWTOs, but wiki is designed to be article writing tool, so it is probably more appropriate for creating documents.
The idea to use comments from Forums users is good, but we have to help that creating feedback is very easy. That, of course, will create some unwanted side effects, like easier way to troll, but you can't have it all.
Wiki side: feedback link to forum. Is it possible to link to article that is not already there? Something like link that will create post with subject line predefined?
Forums: message that links to article that should be reviewed, corrected.
That'd be indeed plain awesome and the best option I thought of myself as well. I raised the question about the technical achievability at the private forums discussion. I plan to provide more details about the whole forums thing early next week.
That way we would have 2 way connection for feedback.
The other is search and indexes on the both sides.
-- Regards, Rajko
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On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
5. Frank needs input about http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions in order to get started with the fresh instance - we certainly need FlaggedRevs as our QA flagship but please provide input about the rest in order to support Frank.
We do need publicly accessible wiki for tests of extensions, that is obvious to me after testing FlaggedRevs. Screenshots that were posted is just a bit of real feeling when you have live wiki with extension and you can play with it. The idea is that such wiki will be plain one without much of layout customizations, but with real content (export from real wiki import in this one), which will allow to install extensions play with and when done just reload backups. I guess Christian can look again :) I'll try to collect as much info as I can, and post my opinion. The FlaggedRevs, need some help pages ready before they are enabled. I'll take look at this. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Frank, 2009/11/20 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
5. Frank needs input about http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions in order to get started with the fresh instance - we certainly need FlaggedRevs as our QA flagship but please provide input about the rest in order to support Frank.
We do need publicly accessible wiki for tests of extensions, that is obvious to me after testing FlaggedRevs. Screenshots that were posted is just a bit of real feeling when you have live wiki with extension and you can play with it.
Frank? May we able to provide something like this (public playground wiki) for the team? IC Rajko's point as without his very personal engagement we wouldn't have been able to test even FlaggedRevs appropriately. Thanks, R
The idea is that such wiki will be plain one without much of layout customizations, but with real content (export from real wiki import in this one), which will allow to install extensions play with and when done just reload backups.
I guess Christian can look again :)
I'll try to collect as much info as I can, and post my opinion.
The FlaggedRevs, need some help pages ready before they are enabled. I'll take look at this.
-- Regards, Rajko
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On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
6. Once we have everything in place and the new instance up and running we need to get started with http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Checked_Pages - select what we'd like to transfer, assure consistent design and categorize it into the new structure while utilizing the templates.
We are still far from discussion about real wiki structure that is defined with our goals, needs and abilities of Mediawiki software. All I can see is going around that topic, which ultimately has to be touched. It is complex and requires a lot of work, but if ignored it will lead to the same mess we have now. I'll take 2 of Henne's comments as a base to think about the future: - wiki is collaboration tool - it is not closed medium with tight flow control - proposal of the structure - analyze of current status We have to research current flow of information, not only within wiki, but in general between projects (tight groups) and loose groups like developers, users, contributors. If we can't define/determine groups, then we are going to guess a lot and the result will be similar as it is now. After we have some flow diagram how that works (flow research volunteers?) then we can place wiki in that flow, so that we can define needs, see what methods has to be used to satisfy needs, what tools we have to add to the wiki. BTW, researching information flow can be done on current wiki. Create roles and document step by step what you did to reach a goal. Create sample pages with ideas how it should work with sample links. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 November 2009 22:56:44 Rajko M. wrote: If I only would not forget to change the subject :) -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank.
I would like to participate, but as always, I'm "weekends only" person, and currently I have even Saturday limitation to hours after 18:00 GMT. The only day I can dedicate any time is Sunday. So, consider ML discussion as the way to perform meeting. It is easier on everybody as it can be worked around time zones and schedules. I proposed once to open 1 thread per meeting topic, instead of all in one as with this, and almost any other email. I know that this is how traditional email works, but if we want to introduce something new we can't stick with traditions. I used this as a sample how it may work. Simple change in subject can keep topics grouped to the meeting, while everyone can answer on topics he wants too. -- Regards, Rajko openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
All, 2009/11/20 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Thursday 19 November 2009 06:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank.
I would like to participate, but as always, I'm "weekends only" person, and currently I have even Saturday limitation to hours after 18:00 GMT. The only day I can dedicate any time is Sunday.
How is the general opinion about a meeting on Sundays? I myself usually do not work during the weekend but for an IRC meeting and the opportunity to get all Wiki seniors on IRC, I'd consider it. Opinions?
So, consider ML discussion as the way to perform meeting. It is easier on everybody as it can be worked around time zones and schedules.
I proposed once to open 1 thread per meeting topic, instead of all in one as with this, and almost any other email. I know that this is how traditional email works, but if we want to introduce something new we can't stick with traditions.
IC, I'll do this if appropriate. Thanks for your input.
I used this as a sample how it may work. Simple change in subject can keep topics grouped to the meeting, while everyone can answer on topics he wants too.
-- Regards, Rajko
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Hello , Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
All,
2009/11/20 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
I would like to participate, but as always, I'm "weekends only" person, and currently I have even Saturday limitation to hours after 18:00 GMT. The only day I can dedicate any time is Sunday.
How is the general opinion about a meeting on Sundays? I myself usually do not work during the weekend but for an IRC meeting and the opportunity to get all Wiki seniors on IRC, I'd consider it. Opinions?
I feel sunday is the perfect time to have the meeting ! . As there'll be no school , no extra classes , less homework(s) and having Wiki meeting would really make it very much special. So it sounds great for me :) .But there are others who may not be available due to there own reasons . Wating for the final decision :)
So, consider ML discussion as the way to perform meeting. It is easier on everybody as it can be worked around time zones and schedules.
I proposed once to open 1 thread per meeting topic, instead of all in one as with this, and almost any other email. I know that this is how traditional email works, but if we want to introduce something new we can't stick with traditions.
IC, I'll do this if appropriate. Thanks for your input.
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2009/11/19 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org>:
2. Rajko, Shayon and Remy already made good progress with the wiki-templates. The result is available at http://en.opensuse.org/Template and http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates. We still need to think about an article-template to ensure a consistent look&feel of Tutorial pages.
I've completed the [[Daily_templates]] page with some general examples. Please have a look and discuss the standardized look&feel proposed here. Also, about the "Article Tags" : - Maybe we should apply one unique colour ? We have actually orange, red and blue... - Is the "Obsolete" template really useful ? We already have an "Outdated" template. I believe that "Outdated" is for article that can be updated, while "Obsolete" is more appropriate for end-of-life technology articles (such as ZMD, KDE update applet that will be replaced by PackageKit, HAL vs PolicyKit, etc.), correct ?
3. As soon as possible I'll get started with the creation of the Guidelines. I'd appreciate any helping hand interested in contributing here. We need to explain the proper Wiki Usage, the creation of articles from a design, formulation, conception and syntax perspective. The Templates need to be linked and the QA Process (FlaggedRevs in combination with the Wiki Forum) need to be explained in detail. I'll definitely need input from Wiki Seniors to explain the one or the other aspect.
Good! A clear guideline is crucially missing. I can assist you on this.
So far the organizational things...
That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank. Thus I won't schedule until I got input about availability of all parties - please tell me what time during the week is most appropriate for you. I myself prefer to schedule on CET evening to assure a sufficient time for american and indian participants (Shayon) while still have a sufficient time for european participants in place.
Not sure if I can attend, as I have a +10 time difference. If it's sufficiently late (10pm), I could attend in the morning (8am here), as far as I am free (saturday/sunday morning only). 3pm CET would also make it (1am here), but not later in weekdays. Regards, R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Nov 20, 2009, at 12:16 PM, Remy Marquis <remy.marquis@gmail.com> wrote:
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I've completed the [[Daily_templates]] page with some general examples. Please have a look and discuss the standardized look&feel proposed here.
Also, about the "Article Tags" : - Maybe we should apply one unique colour ? We have actually orange, red and blue... - Is the "Obsolete" template really useful ? We already have an "Outdated" template. I believe that "Outdated" is for article that can be updated, while "Obsolete" is more appropriate for end-of-life technology articles (such as ZMD, KDE update applet that will be replaced by PackageKit, HAL vs PolicyKit, etc.), correct ?
Well ,IMO it's better to have default distinguished colors for the templates , i.e red , blue and orange. So as to maintain the consistency ;) . And we can have only outdated' as
3. As soon as possible I'll get started with the creation of the Guidelines. I'd appreciate any helping hand interested in contributing here. We need to explain the proper Wiki Usage, the creation of articles from a design, formulation, conception and syntax perspective. The Templates need to be linked and the QA Process (FlaggedRevs in combination with the Wiki Forum) need to be explained in detail. I'll definitely need input from Wiki Seniors to explain the one or the other aspect.
Good! A clear guideline is crucially missing. I can assist you on this.
So far the organizational things...
That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank. Thus I won't schedule until I got input about availability of all parties - please tell me what time during the week is most appropriate for you. I myself prefer to schedule on CET evening to assure a sufficient time for american and indian participants (Shayon) while still have a sufficient time for european participants in place.
Not sure if I can attend, as I have a +10 time difference. If it's sufficiently late (10pm), I could attend in the morning (8am here), as far as I am free (saturday/sunday morning only). 3pm CET would also make it (1am here), but not later in weekdays.
Regards,
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Remy, 2009/11/20 Remy Marquis <remy.marquis@gmail.com>:
2009/11/19 Rupert Horstkötter <rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org>:
2. Rajko, Shayon and Remy already made good progress with the wiki-templates. The result is available at http://en.opensuse.org/Template and http://en.opensuse.org/Daily_templates. We still need to think about an article-template to ensure a consistent look&feel of Tutorial pages.
I've completed the [[Daily_templates]] page with some general examples. Please have a look and discuss the standardized look&feel proposed here.
Great work! I like the standardized look&feel, looks very clearly arranged and easy to understand with the Code/Description/Where triples. I myself (as a Wiki newb) wouldn't have any problems to get an overview and to get clear instructions about the usage of particular wiki-templates.
Also, about the "Article Tags" : - Maybe we should apply one unique colour ? We have actually orange, red and blue...
Hm, valid question. Let me think about it another time. Anyone else?
- Is the "Obsolete" template really useful ? We already have an "Outdated" template. I believe that "Outdated" is for article that can be updated, while "Obsolete" is more appropriate for end-of-life technology articles (such as ZMD, KDE update applet that will be replaced by PackageKit, HAL vs PolicyKit, etc.), correct ?
That's how I understand the difference between "Outdated" and "Obsolete", yes.
3. As soon as possible I'll get started with the creation of the Guidelines. I'd appreciate any helping hand interested in contributing here. We need to explain the proper Wiki Usage, the creation of articles from a design, formulation, conception and syntax perspective. The Templates need to be linked and the QA Process (FlaggedRevs in combination with the Wiki Forum) need to be explained in detail. I'll definitely need input from Wiki Seniors to explain the one or the other aspect.
Good! A clear guideline is crucially missing. I can assist you on this.
So far the organizational things...
That said, I'd like to schedule the next Meeting to get everyone involved on IRC to be able to discuss the Transition and steps we need to take care of in a real time conversation. In contrast to our last Meeting I'd appreciate very much to have all Wiki Seniors attending along with the Boosters, Henne and Frank. Thus I won't schedule until I got input about availability of all parties - please tell me what time during the week is most appropriate for you. I myself prefer to schedule on CET evening to assure a sufficient time for american and indian participants (Shayon) while still have a sufficient time for european participants in place.
Not sure if I can attend, as I have a +10 time difference. If it's sufficiently late (10pm), I could attend in the morning (8am here), as far as I am free (saturday/sunday morning only). 3pm CET would also make it (1am here), but not later in weekdays.
Regards,
R.
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Hello , Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
Remy,
2009/11/20 Remy Marquis <remy.marquis@gmail.com>:
I've completed the [[Daily_templates]] page with some general examples. Please have a look and discuss the standardized look&feel proposed here.
Great work! I like the standardized look&feel, looks very clearly arranged and easy to understand with the Code/Description/Where triples. I myself (as a Wiki newb) wouldn't have any problems to get an overview and to get clear instructions about the usage of particular wiki-templates.
Also, about the "Article Tags" : - Maybe we should apply one unique colour ? We have actually orange, red and blue...
Hm, valid question. Let me think about it another time. Anyone else?
Well first of all sorry for my previous mail (incomplete).Lot many reasons are there for it (in short). So IMO we should have the three default colors as we have currently , i.e: Red , Blue and Orange. As it would help in having a consistent look and a good color combination. Like 1) Delete and related templates : Red 2) Article related: Blue 3) Infos , notes ,etc : Orange The above is just summary of the entire templates section.Other templates also can be categorized under such colors as n when required. This is what i feel :)
- Is the "Obsolete" template really useful ? We already have an "Outdated" template. I believe that "Outdated" is for article that can be updated, while "Obsolete" is more appropriate for end-of-life technology articles (such as ZMD, KDE update applet that will be replaced by PackageKit, HAL vs PolicyKit, etc.), correct ?
We can have Template:Outdated as a consistent/default one.Which can easily perform the tasks which the Template:Obsolete is doing.Reason is mentioned by Remy already :-) That's how I understand the difference between "Outdated" and "Obsolete", yes. --
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On Thursday 19 November 2009 13:36:42 Rupert Horstkötter wrote: Hi,
5. Frank needs input about http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions in order to get started with the fresh instance - we certainly need FlaggedRevs as our QA flagship but please provide input about the rest in order to support Frank.
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following * FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown most of the extensions listed at http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team/Requested_Extensions are not in state "stable", therefore I am very hesitant to use them. Already installed are * DynamicPageList * SimpleFeed Whats missing: a voting extensions. We used to have Electowidget on the old wiki, but I am not sure whether we should install it again. It has been unmaintained for years. It has shown a sign of life in August this year, but no new official release, yet. (http://wiki.electorama.com/wiki/Electowidget) -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Frank, 2009/11/23 Frank Sundermeyer <fs@suse.de>:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
Actually, I was just on my way to add that one ;-D Best, R
-- Regards Frank
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On Monday 23 November 2009 23:54:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
* Lucene-search seems to be stable by now, too (version 2.0.2). Adding it since we definitely need to improve searching -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Donnerstag, 26. November 2009, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:54:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
* Lucene-search
seems to be stable by now, too (version 2.0.2). Adding it since we definitely need to improve searching
Note that Lucene-search requires the MWSearch extension. Otherwise, the list of extensions looks good to me. Oh, something from my mail where I wrote about the proposed extensions: If you hit a non-existing page on the openSUSE wiki, you'll just get a "there is currently no text in this page" message. If you hit a non-existing page in wikipedia, you get a list of search results for the reuqested pagename - often they contain what you were searching for. Does someone know which extension and/or setting is doing this? I found this in the meantime - it's in MediaWiki:Noarticletext, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Noarticletext [1]. I think we should "steal" this from wikipedia ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Don't let you fool - this page exists even if it says it doesn't ;-) Use "view source" if you don't believe me. --
Nochmal: Insgesamt macht das PDF einen guten Eindruck! Gell? Bin ja auch stolz wie Oskar :=) Zu Recht! Oh, danke! *erroet* *verbeug* [> Christian Boltz und David Haller in suse-linux-faq] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2009/11/28 Christian Boltz <opensuse@cboltz.de>:
I found this in the meantime - it's in MediaWiki:Noarticletext, for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Noarticletext [1]. I think we should "steal" this from wikipedia ;-)
+1. Frank? Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 26 November 2009 09:28:07 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:54:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
* Lucene-search
seems to be stable by now, too (version 2.0.2). Adding it since we definitely need to improve searching
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox. It can be useful within new article writing help, as it allows to use some page as a template and predefine prefix of the new article title. Demo without instructions that should come before "Create article" is here: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip Note that once page is created this input box will not use template, but open article, named in input box, for edit. The other is to add comment to existing page, but hiding input field (box) doesn't work with current wiki setup (version). -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
2009/12/3 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Thursday 26 November 2009 09:28:07 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:54:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
* Lucene-search
seems to be stable by now, too (version 2.0.2). Adding it since we definitely need to improve searching
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
It can be useful within new article writing help, as it allows to use some page as a template and predefine prefix of the new article title.
Demo without instructions that should come before "Create article" is here: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip
Note that once page is created this input box will not use template, but open article, named in input box, for edit.
The other is to add comment to existing page, but hiding input field (box) doesn't work with current wiki setup (version).
+1, this sounds very useful for the proper adoption of http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Template Best, R
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The templates look great. It gets my vote to. On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 11:00 +0100, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:
2009/12/3 Rajko M. <rmatov101@charter.net>:
On Thursday 26 November 2009 09:28:07 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:54:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Monday 23 November 2009 23:51:24 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Hi,
I need to have the list of extensions we need (especially for the new, clean wiki instance) until Friday. I would suggest the following
* FlaggedRevs * ParserFunctions * CategoryTree * EventCountdown
Forgot: * SemanticMediaWiki
* Lucene-search
seems to be stable by now, too (version 2.0.2). Adding it since we definitely need to improve searching
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
It can be useful within new article writing help, as it allows to use some page as a template and predefine prefix of the new article title.
Demo without instructions that should come before "Create article" is here: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip
Note that once page is created this input box will not use template, but open article, named in input box, for edit.
The other is to add comment to existing page, but hiding input field (box) doesn't work with current wiki setup (version).
+1, this sounds very useful for the proper adoption of http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Template
Best, R
-- Regards Rajko,
openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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Jon, 2009/12/3 Jonathan Rocker <linux.learner@gmail.com>:
The templates look great. It gets my vote to.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Article_Templateis is a brand new initiative of Remy. We started brainstorming just two days ago - glad you like it! Best, R -- Rupert Horstkötter openSUSE Community Assistant http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rhorstkoetter Email: rhorstkoetter@opensuse.org Jabber: ruperthorstkoetter@googlemail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Rocker <linux.learner@gmail.com> wrote:
The templates look great. It gets my vote to.
Thanks, but it is still a very raw draft.. Actually I haven't really had time to work on it. More to come, stay tunned :) R. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 December 2009 06:03:32 Rajko M. wrote: Hi,
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
according to our Wiki server admin this extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.15. -- Regards Frank Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.opensuse.org/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 December 2009 04:27:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Thursday 03 December 2009 06:03:32 Rajko M. wrote:
Hi,
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
according to our Wiki server admin this extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.15.
It seems that 1.15 is not good with more then one extension. There must be some reason that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version uses 1.16alpha rev. (r59476) while mine is r58852, and so far all works. We can consider option to follow them. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 03 December 2009 18:46:06 Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 03 December 2009 04:27:03 Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Thursday 03 December 2009 06:03:32 Rajko M. wrote:
Hi,
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
according to our Wiki server admin this extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.15.
It seems that 1.15 is not good with more then one extension.
There must be some reason that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version uses 1.16alpha rev. (r59476) while mine is r58852, and so far all works.
We can consider option to follow them.
From release notes: MediaWiki is now using a "continuous integration" development model with quarterly snapshot releases. The latest development code is always kept "ready to run", and in fact runs our own sites on Wikipedia. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
Hello, on Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
Just as a reminder, keep currently installed InputBox.
It can be useful within new article writing help, as it allows to use some page as a template
"Article templates" is a good keyword ;-) and reminds me to an extension I use in a customer's wiki: MultiBoilerplate MultiBoilerplate displays a template dropdown when creating a new page (which contains a list of template pages) and copies the selected template to the new page. Details and screenshot on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate Advantage: available every time a new page is created (not only if a page is created using the inputbox) - so users would actually use the page templates ;-) Question: does this sound useful for the openSUSE wiki? On the technical side, this extension didn't cause any problems for me (even when combined with a graphical editor and SelectCategoryCloud, which all affect the editing page - loading order matters)
and predefine prefix of the new article title.
That's the part MultiBoilerplate does not cover.
Demo without instructions that should come before "Create article" is here: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip
The inputbox (still) has the problem that it only works when you are logged in... However I wonder why - it's not a really complex extension from the code POV as far as I can see, and replacing a tag should work independent of the login status. Funnily it still works after logging out - as long as I don't delete the cookies... This doesn't mean that the inputbox extension should be dropped, but it would be worth some time to investigate the problem (if it still exists in the new wiki). Regards, Christian Boltz -- liegt es vielleicht an den lauschigen 34°, die der Prozessor oder sowas nicht mitmacht? -> Soll ich mit dem Rechner jetzt zum Baggersee rausfah- ren und ihm ne Abkühlung verpassen... [Sebastian Schulze in suse-linux] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 04 December 2009 16:57:21 Christian Boltz wrote:
Hello, ... MultiBoilerplate displays a template dropdown when creating a new page (which contains a list of template pages) and copies the selected template to the new page.
Details and screenshot on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate
Advantage: available every time a new page is created (not only if a page is created using the inputbox) - so users would actually use the page templates ;-)
OK, that is convincing :) I have couple of them to install, and check how they cooperate. Of course I better go and update the Mediawiki itself.
Question: does this sound useful for the openSUSE wiki?
As always with a lot of diplomacy :)
On the technical side, this extension didn't cause any problems for me (even when combined with a graphical editor and SelectCategoryCloud, which all affect the editing page - loading order matters)
Which is controlled where ?
and predefine prefix of the new article title.
That's the part MultiBoilerplate does not cover.
Demo without instructions that should come before "Create article" is here: http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m/wip
The inputbox (still) has the problem that it only works when you are logged in... However I wonder why - it's not a really complex extension from the code POV as far as I can see, and replacing a tag should work independent of the login status. Funnily it still works after logging out - as long as I don't delete the cookies...
That is probably why it worked all the time for me. Thanks for note.
This doesn't mean that the inputbox extension should be dropped, but it would be worth some time to investigate the problem (if it still exists in the new wiki).
When on topic new wiki, I've seen updated wiki, but later it disappeared. It seems that despite PHP 5.25 instead of 5.26 too many things did not work. I'm sorry that I didn't check release notes earlier, that explain why even Wikipedia runs the latest "experimental" code.
Regards,
Christian Boltz
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Hello, on Samstag, 5. Dezember 2009, Rajko M. wrote:
On Friday 04 December 2009 16:57:21 Christian Boltz wrote:
MultiBoilerplate displays a template dropdown when creating a new page (which contains a list of template pages) and copies the selected template to the new page. ... OK, that is convincing :) I have couple of them to install, and check how they cooperate. Of course I better go and update the Mediawiki itself.
Which other extensions for using page templates do/did you test? I don't remember all details and which extensions I checked/tested, but MultiBoilerplate was the best match for my (customer's) usecase.
Question: does this sound useful for the openSUSE wiki?
As always with a lot of diplomacy :)
;-)
On the technical side, this extension didn't cause any problems for me (even when combined with a graphical editor and SelectCategoryCloud, which all affect the editing page - loading order matters)
Which is controlled where ?
The load order? Simply by the inclusion order in LocalSettings.php. In short: If you think about what an extension does, you can tell which load order makes sense. I'll give you an example with FCKeditor (WYSIWYG editor) and SelectCategoryTagCloud: The category cloud (which strips the categories from the article text and displays them in a separate field on the edit page [1]) has to be loaded _before_ FCKeditor is loaded. Not surprising, because it affects the text FCKeditor sees. A graphical editor (in my case FCKeditor) should be the last extension you include - at least the last extension that affects the edit page. But that's all not relevant for the openSUSE wiki since we all can write wikitext, don't need a graphical editor *g* and a list of all available categories on each edit page would double the edit page size in the openSUSE wiki ;-) That said: many (most?) extensions can be loaded in any order, because they don't affect each other. But there are exceptions like in the above example. Regards, Christian Boltz [1] This has advantages and disadvantages - a disadvantage is that it can move categories to the wrong place in a template (hint: <includeonly>/<noinclude>). Therefore I disabled the category cloud for the template namespace. -- SOAP is really now just called "SOAP", I think they've dropped the "Simple..." bit from the name as it can be anything but simple. [http://codepoets.co.uk/using-soap-and-xmlrpc-php5-newbies-findings] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 05 December 2009 16:07:50 Christian Boltz wrote:
Which other extensions for using page templates do/did you test?
Currently only the one that you pointed to. The rest is what was planned for openSUSE wiki, but as it is now we would need another version update of Medawiki, so that they can run at all. My installation of 1.15.1 doesn't run with FlaggedRevs at all and debugging seems pointless, as later 1.16alpha has no problems. The old CSS and probably OpenSUSE.php make same problems that you can see on openSUSE wiki. They are literally identical as I use old versions of those files. -- Regards Rajko, openSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org
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