On 02:56 Fri 30 Jul 2010, Rajko M. wrote:
On Thursday 29 July 2010 20:24:09 Brandon Philips wrote:
Lets look at the mission statement of the openSUSE: namespace[1]:
"And the openSUSE community's openSUSE: namespace to collaboratively write on documentation for their projects and teams."
http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Namespace "openSUSE - Presentation and working pages of our teams, tools and projects. Everything for the contributors to our project."
That is a more helpful definition. Maybe the namespace should be contrib: then? Or perhaps move all of the user facing documentation to docs:?
Possible alternatives:
0. No namespace at all, the openSUSE community exists at openSUSE.org! We have an entire domain to call our own! Why do we need a namespace?
Breaks separation of content on part that is used to present openSUSE to casual visitors (majority), part used for troubleshooting which is minority, and part for contributors which is even smaller.
As a contributor the namespaces are not helping me and are confusing. How has Wikipedia managed to create a huge and useful repository without namespaces?
We absolutely don't want to push information on 1001 problem, collected in last 15 years of SUSE, in eyes of people that clicked on some web link to see what is openSUSE.
If this was the original problem it would seem it is being solved in a poor way. There are lots of ugly pages in the wiki that are out of date and confusing but shoving everything into a namespace plasters over the issue; sweeping it under the rug. Solutions: - Lots of hard work fixing and pruning pages, staging the new wiki at a diferent URL - Introducing a wiki just for users e.g. welcome.opensuse.org or docs.opensuse.org
1. devel: ? Oh, but these teams are not necessarily developers
Developer as in? Software developer, business developer, community developer, film developer (chemical), etc :) Creating artwork is development. Writing documentation is development. Creating communication infrastructure is development. Developing marketing strategy is ... (right development).
Certainly, I agree with all of these definitions of developers. But, things in the openSUSE namespace include governance and community building information like openSUSE:Board, openSUSE:Ambassadors_events, etc e.g. devel:Board wouldn't reflect the work they do for openSUSE: they facilitate, communicate and assist in resolving issues.
3. community: ? Maybe, but community:Java packaging cookbook looks strange
Not strange at all, but it is redundant as well. Of course it is community, not Martians :)
Community: at least adds the hint that these community oriented pages and not part of the openSUSE consumer documentation.
4. project: ? This is my second choice as nearly all of the links on http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Project are to the openSUSE: namespace...
That is default, but as soon as you choose name for the wiki it will become that name, in our case "openSUSE".
I don't follow this.
1-4 have their problems but at least they are not redundant.
We had redundancy before. This one will not change much.
Agreed. At the very least we can figure out a name which might make it clearer what the mission of this namespace is. Although, preferably just get rid of it all together.
Lets discuss what problem this openSUSE: namespace is trying to solve and how we can make sane looking URLs on our new wiki. And lets do it fast so we can avoid breaking URLs again.
Too late for not breaking anything :)
True, I have REDIRECTED many pages already.
There is already a lot of internal links that should be changed in case that we want something different as a project namespace.
Add two levels of redirection? It isn't too late. This new wiki is only a few weeks old. The total damage is small today. Thanks for you input. Cheers, Brandon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org