On Wednesday 28 February 2007 15:58, jdd wrote:
Fmonkey wrote:
The biggest problem for a newbie is navigating the wiki
in fact, better use the search feature - on my opinion, google search is even better (I setup one on my own page: http://fr.opensuse.org/Utilisateur:Jdd_sysop).
I think the gentoo example you did are not better, far from, than our one, and you missed two important points here: gentoo is mush older than we are and I don't think there is really a sort of version number or distribution with gentoo (after all, we have to compîle all by ourselves)
I don't think also gentoo is at all for newbies, we are.
As the wiki stands at the moment we have quantity over quality,
we have two sources: the suse book, very well organised but somewhat limited, and the wiki, made as it's writers do it.
Don't think I underestimate your point. It's very important to have a well organised wiki, but all the previous tentatives failed (partly)
In my opinion, we must have (and in fact we have) some "one subject by page" pages and "indexes" pages. Any too big a subject should be subdivised (subpages are a good way of doing so).
And we can have as many indexes as the users need. One day or an other we will have a main page different from the one we have now (I don't say now)
The center part will be organised by user categories or user needs, leading to corresponding indexes. For example:
* by level: newbies, intermediate, experts * by need: before install, during install, after install, dealing with updates, desktop work, server work, refinig...
and "using the wiki" because one can (as I did) make his own home page his index :-)
jdd
I presume you looked at my home page and as intermediate user I struggled to collate all that information. As you rightly pointed out you are aiming at the beginner but you'd need to be an intermediate user just to find anything on the wiki. I wouldn't start a chess game with out a plan at the moment its an amalgamation of pages not a wiki. As mentioned I found more useful pages in the sdb than any where else and you're quite correct I had to use google, but this is intermediate searching not for beginners. So either the wiki is for intermediate user or beginners. To be honest I actually use the gentoo wiki now a lot for helping to solve my own Suse problems. You give age as justification but its got nothing to do with it, structure and content is what makes it better, combined with quality control, I'm afraid I don't see it. I actually wonder how many pages libzypp has but can't be bothered to count, then I wonder how many pages for installing suse on this or that and as you pointed out Gentoo is far harder, there's better consolidation on the gentoo wiki and thats my point. Plus none of this version specific stuff, which isn't needed, it needs collating not splitting. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-wiki+help@opensuse.org