[opensuse-web] More appealing text for www.o.o?

Ludwig Nussel

16 Aug 2018 16 Aug '18

07:15

Hi, The text on www.o.o has been there for while now. Unfortunately it's not very descriptive about our distros. How about coming up with some statements that focus more on telling the reader what TW and Leap are useful for rather than describing what they are? The TW description already goes in that direction but the one for Leap is rather useless. Any takers? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

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Felix Miata

16 Aug 16 Aug

09:02

Ludwig Nussel composed on 2018-08-16 09:15 (UTC+0200):

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The text on www.o.o has been there for while now. Unfortunately it's not very descriptive about our distros. How about coming up with some statements that focus more on telling the reader what TW and Leap are useful for rather than describing what they are? The TW description already goes in that direction but the one for Leap is rather useless. Any takers?

How about instead of "Get the most complete Linux distribution with openSUSE’s latest regular-release version!" do "Get the most complete Linux distribution with openSUSE’s high stability, long period leaping release version, with multiple server and desktop roles available to have you ready to work or play quickly, and custom selection to let you assemble a system to suit your needs precisely!" -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

Sergio Lindo

19:22

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El 16 ago 2018, a las 11:02, Felix Miata escribió:

Ludwig Nussel composed on 2018-08-16 09:15 (UTC+0200):

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The text on www.o.o has been there for while now. Unfortunately it's not very descriptive about our distros. How about coming up with some statements that focus more on telling the reader what TW and Leap are useful for rather than describing what they are? The TW description already goes in that direction but the one for Leap is rather useless. Any takers?

How about instead of

"Get the most complete Linux distribution with openSUSE’s latest regular-release version!"

do

"Get the most complete Linux distribution with openSUSE’s high stability, long period leaping release version, with multiple server and desktop roles available to have you ready to work or play quickly, and custom selection to let you assemble a system to suit your needs precisely!" -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)

Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

Hi, I think this paragraph doesn’t clarify it enough. And actually this paragraph can be applied to both TW and Leap, expect the part “high stability, long period looping release”. In my opinion, a list of characteristics would be more effective. openSUSE distributions (Leap, Tumbleweed) - Multi purpose: server, desktop workstation, IOT... - System recovery: integrated BTRFS snapshots as default. - Security updates: from the community and from SUSE - Customizable: set it up for your needs even from installation, for example gnome, KDE, Enlightenment... - Contributing: available tools for everyone to build and package software. Adding and fixing software in the official repositories. Leap - Conservative package version: the software behaves always the same until you decide to upgrade. - Limited lifetime: after end of life, upgrade Leap to continue receiving free security updates - Enterprise ready: migrate to SLE the get support from SUSE and to get more security updates without upgrading. Tumbleweed - Latest package version: latest stable and tested version of software. Get KDE and gnome just hours or days after they are released upstream. - No end of life: Receive security updates forever. Kubic - Tumbleweed flavor: the same benefits as Tumbleweed. - Focused on Linux container - Transactional updates - Auto healing What do you think? Best, Sergio-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:57

On 2018-08-16 21:22, Sergio Lindo wrote:

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In my opinion, a list of characteristics would be more effective.

openSUSE distributions (Leap, Tumbleweed) - Multi purpose: server, desktop workstation, IOT... - System recovery: integrated BTRFS snapshots as default. - Security updates: from the community and from SUSE - Customizable: set it up for your needs even from installation, for example gnome, KDE, Enlightenment... - Contributing: available tools for everyone to build and package software. Adding and fixing software in the official repositories.

Leap - Conservative package version: the software behaves always the same until you decide to upgrade. - Limited lifetime: after end of life, upgrade Leap to continue receiving free security updates - Enterprise ready: migrate to SLE the get support from SUSE and to get more security updates without upgrading.

Tumbleweed - Latest package version: latest stable and tested version of software. Get KDE and gnome just hours or days after they are released upstream. - No end of life: Receive security updates forever.

Kubic - Tumbleweed flavor: the same benefits as Tumbleweed. - Focused on Linux container - Transactional updates - Auto healing

What do you think?

I like it :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Fraser_Bell

17 Aug 17 Aug

00:39

On 08/16/2018 12:22 PM, Sergio Lindo wrote:

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Hi,

I think this paragraph doesn’t clarify it enough. And actually this paragraph can be applied to both TW and Leap, expect the part “high stability, long period looping release”.

In my opinion, a list of characteristics would be more effective.

openSUSE distributions (Leap, Tumbleweed) - Multi purpose: server, desktop workstation, IOT... - System recovery: integrated BTRFS snapshots as default. - Security updates: from the community and from SUSE - Customizable: set it up for your needs even from installation, for example gnome, KDE, Enlightenment... - Contributing: available tools for everyone to build and package software. Adding and fixing software in the official repositories.

Leap - Conservative package version: the software behaves always the same until you decide to upgrade. - Limited lifetime: after end of life, upgrade Leap to continue receiving free security updates - Enterprise ready: migrate to SLE the get support from SUSE and to get more security updates without upgrading.

Tumbleweed - Latest package version: latest stable and tested version of software. Get KDE and gnome just hours or days after they are released upstream. - No end of life: Receive security updates forever.

Kubic - Tumbleweed flavor: the same benefits as Tumbleweed. - Focused on Linux container - Transactional updates - Auto healing

What do you think?

Yes, I think this is far more usefull and instructive. Good suggestion, IMHO, Sergio. -- -Gerry Makaro openSUSE Member openSUSE Forum Moderator openSUSE Contributor aka Fraser_Bell on the Forums, OBS, IRC, and mail at openSUSE.org Fraser-Bell on Github -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

Ludwig Nussel

22 Aug 22 Aug

12:38

Sergio Lindo wrote:

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[...] In my opinion, a list of characteristics would be more effective.

I agree. Good starting point what you wrote there!

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openSUSE distributions (Leap, Tumbleweed) - Multi purpose: server, desktop workstation, IOT...

Focusing on use cases is a good idea IMO. Maybe the areas could be presented in a visually appealing way? I like what Canonical did for example: https://www.ubuntu.com/. Maybe we could have something similar but with clickable icons to show more highlights of the selected area?

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- System recovery: integrated BTRFS snapshots as default.

We can't mention that often enough. Belt and suspenders! It is active both for TW and Leap ie also works for maintenance updates. Revert to previous state just with a reboot.

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- Security updates: from the community and from SUSE - Customizable: set it up for your needs even from installation, for example gnome, KDE, Enlightenment...

I'd probably not focus on desktop environments too much. In my talks I tried to highlight our fine grained rpm packages a bit. So it's possible customize installations to contain just the software you need. With kiwi it's possible to recombine packages into custom appliances. OBS allows to also customize individual packages or even the complete distro.

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- Contributing: available tools for everyone to build and package software. Adding and fixing software in the official repositories.

Exactly. Very easy to contribute to existing distros but also to influencee future ones by participating in Tumbleweed. Also worth to mention is the language support, I saw that advertised as new feature on cloudlinux.com and we take that for granted :-) Also, with l10n.opensuse.org it's easy to add more translations.

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Leap - Conservative package version: the software behaves always the same until you decide to upgrade.

Yup. maintenance updates are intended to just fix bugs and don't break production systems.

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- Limited lifetime: after end of life, upgrade Leap to continue receiving free security updates

Sounds a bit intimidating IMO. Maybe we could highlight yearly service pack level upgrades providing hardware enablement and some new features. Six months overlap allows admins to time the upgrade window in advance. Total lifetime of a major version is at least three years.

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- Enterprise ready: migrate to SLE the get support from SUSE and to get more security updates without upgrading.

One actually won't get more security updates from SLE :-) SLE offers commerical support, certifications and an extended life time for example.

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Tumbleweed - Latest package version: latest stable and tested version of software. Get KDE and gnome just hours or days after they are released upstream. - No end of life: Receive security updates forever.

Interesting aspect. It's not limited to security updates though :-) So anyone who could implement this in https://github.com/openSUSE/landing-page ? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-web+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-web+owner@opensuse.org

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