[opensuse-virtual] Home virtualization Lab
Hi!, I'm building a new NAS box (Leap + btrfs) which is a little over powered so I would love to use it as a personal virtualization lab. Xenserver/ESXi/Proxmox/Acropolis are out because of software R6 and having a single host, so I'm turning to openSUSE. I've worked a lot with Xen years ago but I understand the guys that get all the attention these days are KVM and docker, and Xen might be a second class citizen. Given I would like: - Software R6 on the host - Virtualization nesting - PCI passthrough - Some permanent VMs - Lots of temporary VMs Would you suggest to go with XEN or KVM or Virtualbox in this specific scenario at this point in time?, can I assume docker will place nice with any of them?. Regards, -- Ciro Iriarte http://iriarte.it -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+owner@opensuse.org
Ciao! On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 17:07 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Xenserver/ESXi/Proxmox/Acropolis are out because of software R6 and having a single host, so I'm turning to openSUSE. I've worked a lot with Xen years ago but I understand the guys that get all the attention these days are KVM and docker, and Xen might be a second class citizen.
Given I would like: - Software R6 on the host
Not sure what that is...
- Virtualization nesting
KVM has some nested virtualization support, depending on your hardware. See this blog post for some help on it: https://kashyapc.com/2012/01/14/nested-virtualization-with-kvm-intel/
- PCI passthrough
Both Xen and KVM can do it.
- Some permanent VMs - Lots of temporary VMs
Would you suggest to go with XEN or KVM or Virtualbox in this specific scenario at this point in time?, can I assume docker will place nice with any of them?.
I would suggest KVM + virt-manager + libvirt. If you need a web UI, you can also try Kimchi. Docker has a different use case than a plain old VM: docker can't do system containers and you would only have one app in one container... and remember containers aren't secure, you need to put them in a VM to be on the safe side ;) Hope that helps, -- Cedric -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+owner@opensuse.org
2016-07-04 4:30 GMT-04:00 Cedric Bosdonnat <cbosdonnat@suse.com>:
Ciao!
On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 17:07 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Xenserver/ESXi/Proxmox/Acropolis are out because of software R6 and having a single host, so I'm turning to openSUSE. I've worked a lot with Xen years ago but I understand the guys that get all the attention these days are KVM and docker, and Xen might be a second class citizen.
Given I would like: - Software R6 on the host
Not sure what that is...
- Virtualization nesting
KVM has some nested virtualization support, depending on your hardware. See this blog post for some help on it:
https://kashyapc.com/2012/01/14/nested-virtualization-with-kvm-intel/
- PCI passthrough
Both Xen and KVM can do it.
- Some permanent VMs - Lots of temporary VMs
Would you suggest to go with XEN or KVM or Virtualbox in this specific scenario at this point in time?, can I assume docker will place nice with any of them?.
I would suggest KVM + virt-manager + libvirt. If you need a web UI, you can also try Kimchi. Docker has a different use case than a plain old VM: docker can't do system containers and you would only have one app in one container... and remember containers aren't secure, you need to put them in a VM to be on the safe side ;)
Hope that helps,
-- Cedric
Thanks for your comments, by R6 I was refering to BTRFS on raid 6 + disk encryption. This box will works as a NAS also. Regards, -- Ciro Iriarte http://iriarte.it -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+owner@opensuse.org
On lundi, 4 juillet 2016 18.22:06 h CEST Ciro Iriarte wrote:
2016-07-04 4:30 GMT-04:00 Cedric Bosdonnat <cbosdonnat@suse.com>:
Ciao!
On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 17:07 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Xenserver/ESXi/Proxmox/Acropolis are out because of software R6 and having a single host, so I'm turning to openSUSE. I've worked a lot with Xen years ago but I understand the guys that get all the attention these days are KVM and docker, and Xen might be a second class citizen.
Given I would like: - Software R6 on the host
Not sure what that is...
- Virtualization nesting
KVM has some nested virtualization support, depending on your hardware. See this blog post for some help on it:
https://kashyapc.com/2012/01/14/nested-virtualization-with-kvm-intel/
- PCI passthrough
Both Xen and KVM can do it.
- Some permanent VMs - Lots of temporary VMs
Would you suggest to go with XEN or KVM or Virtualbox in this specific scenario at this point in time?, can I assume docker will place nice with any of them?.
I would suggest KVM + virt-manager + libvirt. If you need a web UI, you can also try Kimchi. Docker has a different use case than a plain old VM: docker can't do system containers and you would only have one app in one container... and remember containers aren't secure, you need to put them in a VM to be on the safe side ;)
Hope that helps,
-- Cedric
Thanks for your comments, by R6 I was refering to BTRFS on raid 6 + disk encryption. This box will works as a NAS also.
Regards,
Not sure about btrfs choice for storing image you will have to use the nocow plus I'm not certain that raid especially the level 6 is mature enough on btrfs ( regarding its difficulties to maintain itself up and running without assistance ) Software raid6 is still cpu expensive, for myself I'm using a good hardware controller and which handle raid6 + battery in case of crash. The system is then build around lvm (each vm has its own). my 0.05 Sfr cts ( +/- 0.02 cts € ) ;-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+owner@opensuse.org
2016-07-05 13:39 GMT-04:00 Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch>:
On lundi, 4 juillet 2016 18.22:06 h CEST Ciro Iriarte wrote:
2016-07-04 4:30 GMT-04:00 Cedric Bosdonnat <cbosdonnat@suse.com>:
Ciao!
On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 17:07 -0400, Ciro Iriarte wrote:
Xenserver/ESXi/Proxmox/Acropolis are out because of software R6 and having a single host, so I'm turning to openSUSE. I've worked a lot with Xen years ago but I understand the guys that get all the attention these days are KVM and docker, and Xen might be a second class citizen.
Given I would like: - Software R6 on the host
Not sure what that is...
- Virtualization nesting
KVM has some nested virtualization support, depending on your hardware. See this blog post for some help on it:
https://kashyapc.com/2012/01/14/nested-virtualization-with-kvm-intel/
- PCI passthrough
Both Xen and KVM can do it.
- Some permanent VMs - Lots of temporary VMs
Would you suggest to go with XEN or KVM or Virtualbox in this specific scenario at this point in time?, can I assume docker will place nice with any of them?.
I would suggest KVM + virt-manager + libvirt. If you need a web UI, you can also try Kimchi. Docker has a different use case than a plain old VM: docker can't do system containers and you would only have one app in one container... and remember containers aren't secure, you need to put them in a VM to be on the safe side ;)
Hope that helps,
-- Cedric
Thanks for your comments, by R6 I was refering to BTRFS on raid 6 + disk encryption. This box will works as a NAS also.
Regards,
Not sure about btrfs choice for storing image you will have to use the nocow plus I'm not certain that raid especially the level 6 is mature enough on btrfs ( regarding its difficulties to maintain itself up and running without assistance )
Software raid6 is still cpu expensive, for myself I'm using a good hardware controller and which handle raid6 + battery in case of crash.
The system is then build around lvm (each vm has its own).
my 0.05 Sfr cts ( +/- 0.02 cts € ) ;-)
--
Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot
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Thanks, in this case the hardware can handle it. I'll add a UPS to the mix and it should be rock solid... Regards, -- Ciro Iriarte http://iriarte.it -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-virtual+owner@opensuse.org
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