Hi, all -- I have a 15.1 desktop davidtg@gezebel:~> cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.1 and a 15.2 disk farm diskfarm:~ # cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.2 and am now about to build a 'net-facing small LAMP server. How stable have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy :-) TIA & HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
David T-G wrote:
Hi, all --
I have a 15.1 desktop
davidtg@gezebel:~> cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.1
and a 15.2 disk farm
diskfarm:~ # cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.2
and am now about to build a 'net-facing small LAMP server. How stable have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy :-)
Then the answer is 15.2, no questions asked. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 14:46 (UTC-0400):
I have a 15.1 desktop
davidtg@gezebel:~> cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.1
and a 15.2 disk farm
diskfarm:~ # cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.2
and am now about to build a 'net-facing small LAMP server. How stable have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy :-)
Scheduled EOL for 15.2 is in 6 months plus 3 days. Once 15.3 is successfully installed, it seems little different from its ancestors. I found it's missing various packages (e.g. kde-susetranslations), and various packages are "older" than those in 15.2. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Le 27/06/2021 à 21:37, Felix Miata a écrit :
Once 15.3 is successfully installed, it seems little different from its ancestors.
I have a personal server with 15.3 since around 6 month (yes, much before launch) all runs ok since the beginning jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 6/27/21 2:46 PM, David T-G wrote:
Hi, all --
I have a 15.1 desktop
davidtg@gezebel:~> cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.1
and a 15.2 disk farm
diskfarm:~ # cat /etc/SUSE-brand openSUSE VERSION = 15.2
and am now about to build a 'net-facing small LAMP server. How stable have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy :-)
TIA & HAND
:-D
15.3 involves a new semi-integration (for want of a better term) with SLE which from posts I've seen has (no surprise) seemed to need a bit of shaking out. Maybe that has all happened, I dunno. Still, I'm waiting for another few months. --dg
Dennis, et al -- ...and then DennisG said... % % On 6/27/21 2:46 PM, David T-G wrote: ... % > % >and am now about to build a 'net-facing small LAMP server. How stable % >have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In % >this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy :-) % % 15.3 involves a new semi-integration (for want of a better term) % with SLE which from posts I've seen has (no surprise) seemed to need I thought I recalled something along those lines ... Thanks, and thanks to Per as well. % a bit of shaking out. Maybe that has all happened, I dunno. Still, % I'm waiting for another few months. I kinda like that. The last thing I need at this point is adventure. Of course, that then (thanks, Felix) brings us to upgrade thoughts, since 15.2 will be done soon. I should probably look at that on my 15.1 first, but I'll get to go through the adventure of weighing an in-place upgrade or an actual reinstallation, neither of which makes my heart go pitter-pat. Thanks to all! :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
On 2021-06-27 2:06 p.m., DennisG wrote:
15.3 involves a new semi-integration (for want of a better term) with SLE which from posts I've seen has (no surprise) seemed to need a bit of shaking out. Maybe that has all happened, I dunno. Still, I'm waiting for another few months.
--dg
I had absolutely no problems upgrading to 15.3, and no problems with system functionality since then. I would, however, recommend anyone upgrading to 15.3 do so from a USB stick, and choose the upgrade option in the menu. That will automatically bring in the new update repositories, and you do have a choice of retaining existing repositories (eg. Packman) that you may have added -- with those, you simply need to edit the URL to point to the proper repository.
Darryl, et al -- ...and then Darryl Gregorash said... % % I had absolutely no problems upgrading to 15.3, and no problems with % system functionality since then. Great to know. And I have my 15.1 desktop as a guinea pig, too. % % I would, however, recommend anyone upgrading to 15.3 do so from a USB % stick, and choose the upgrade option in the menu. That will % automatically bring in the new update repositories, and you do have a % choice of retaining existing repositories (eg. Packman) that you may % have added -- with those, you simply need to edit the URL to point to % the proper repository. I gave myself on each box a 32G slice plus another 32G for alternate OS, so I could install into there and fall back if necessary. It would be nice to not have to go through the whole mess of creating users and mounts and such again, though, so I think I might dupe over the partition and try the upgrade on that. I'd love it if I could always have the happy fallback :-) Thanks again & HANN :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 22:02 (UTC-0400):
I might dupe over the partition and try the upgrade on that. I'd love it if I could always have the happy fallback :-)
That's the most common method used here over the years. Multiboot is in my blood since decades ago. But with 15.3, I've done nearly as many fresh installs as I've done 15.2 to 15.3 online upgrades of cloned partitions. IIRC I did do one or two offline upgrades lately, but I think it was only (very long since last updates) TW to TW rather than any 15.2 to 15.3. If you're going to try an online /or/ offline upgrade, I highly recommend considering to first disable all optional repos, then zypper dup 15.2, then dup to 15.3, then re-enable any disabled repos you still require. In particular this applies if using NVidia's proprietary graphics drivers. Packman might not be any problem, as long as you aren't upgrading while its mirrors are in a transitional state. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 28/06/2021 08.23, Felix Miata wrote:
David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 22:02 (UTC-0400):
I might dupe over the partition and try the upgrade on that. I'd love it if I could always have the happy fallback :-)
That's the most common method used here over the years. Multiboot is in my blood since decades ago. But with 15.3, I've done nearly as many fresh installs as I've done 15.2 to 15.3 online upgrades of cloned partitions. IIRC I did do one or two offline upgrades lately, but I think it was only (very long since last updates) TW to TW rather than any 15.2 to 15.3.
If you're going to try an online /or/ offline upgrade, I highly recommend considering to first disable all optional repos, then zypper dup 15.2, then dup to 15.3, then re-enable any disabled repos you still require. In particular this applies if using NVidia's proprietary graphics drivers. Packman might not be any problem, as long as you aren't upgrading while its mirrors are in a transitional state.
No. Disabling optional repos is no longer recommended during the upgrade. Specifically, leave packman and nvidia, and similar crucial repos. If you use repos to get newer versions, those you should remove. But repos you need to get packages that the main distribution doesn't have, leave them. And read the documentation. It has not been updated for 15.3, so I'm interested in new things you people find so that I can write them down. <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Offline_upgrade> -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Carlos & Felix, et al -- ...and then Carlos E. R. said... % % On 28/06/2021 08.23, Felix Miata wrote: % >David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 22:02 (UTC-0400): % > % >>I might dupe over the partition and % >>try the upgrade on that. I'd love it if I could always have the happy % >>fallback :-) % > % >That's the most common method used here over the years. Multiboot is in my blood % >since decades ago. But with 15.3, I've done nearly as many fresh installs as I've ... % % And read the documentation. It has not been updated for 15.3, so I'm % interested in new things you people find so that I can write them % down. % % <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Offline_upgrade> Thanks to you both! I'll look forward to it. % % -- % Cheers / Saludos, % % Carlos E. R. % (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar) HAND :-D -- David T-G See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/email/ See http://justpickone.org/davidtg/tofu.txt
On 6/28/21 6:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 28/06/2021 08.23, Felix Miata wrote:
David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 22:02 (UTC-0400):
I might dupe over the partition and try the upgrade on that. I'd love it if I could always have the happy fallback :-)
That's the most common method used here over the years. Multiboot is in my blood since decades ago. But with 15.3, I've done nearly as many fresh installs as I've done 15.2 to 15.3 online upgrades of cloned partitions. IIRC I did do one or two offline upgrades lately, but I think it was only (very long since last updates) TW to TW rather than any 15.2 to 15.3.
If you're going to try an online /or/ offline upgrade, I highly recommend considering to first disable all optional repos, then zypper dup 15.2, then dup to 15.3, then re-enable any disabled repos you still require. In particular this applies if using NVidia's proprietary graphics drivers. Packman might not be any problem, as long as you aren't upgrading while its mirrors are in a transitional state.
No. Disabling optional repos is no longer recommended during the upgrade. Specifically, leave packman and nvidia, and similar crucial repos. If you use repos to get newer versions, those you should remove. But repos you need to get packages that the main distribution doesn't have, leave them.
For the optional repo's, is it recommended to literally change the url from 15.2 to 15.3 or should the url's now be using $releasever (as I thought I had read)? Thx, --dg
On 28/06/2021 20.02, DennisG wrote:
On 6/28/21 6:34 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 28/06/2021 08.23, Felix Miata wrote:
David T-G composed on 2021-06-27 22:02 (UTC-0400):
No. Disabling optional repos is no longer recommended during the upgrade. Specifically, leave packman and nvidia, and similar crucial repos. If you use repos to get newer versions, those you should remove. But repos you need to get packages that the main distribution doesn't have, leave them.
For the optional repo's, is it recommended to literally change the url from 15.2 to 15.3 or should the url's now be using $releasever (as I thought I had read)?
The offline upgrade from 15.1 to 15.2 did not recognize the $releasever method. I opened a bug, it should now have been solved and using it should be safe. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
DennisG composed on 2021-06-28 14:02 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Disabling optional repos is no longer recommended during the upgrade. Specifically, leave packman and nvidia, and similar crucial repos. If you use repos to get newer versions, those you should remove. But repos you need to get packages that the main distribution doesn't have, leave them.
For the optional repo's, is it recommended to literally change the url
"Repo's" by virtue of "'s" is a possessive noun. It is not a contraction. Repos is the plural form of repo. Repos you have in openSUSE. Repo's as used is nonsense the web has made rampant.
from 15.2 to 15.3 or should the url's now be using $releasever (as I thought I had read)?
Either is valid. I never use $releasever. There are occasions for some situations where using a different version is valid. Using the variable doesn't accommodate that, while I want consistent syntax among all mine. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2021-06-27 2:46 p.m., David T-G wrote:
How stable have folks found 15.3? Should I go with that or stick with 15.2? In this life, I am absolutely anything but a bleeding-edge guy:-)
I'm far from happy with the performance, particularly the swap performance, of 15.2. But the stability & completeness of 15.3 scares me enough that I'm not planning to go for it yet. -- “Reality is so complex, we must move away from dogma, whether it’s conspiracy theories or free-market,” -- James Glattfelder. http://jth.ch/jbg
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