I can't install openSUSE on a Windows 11 Pro machine
I just bought a computer that came preinstalled with Windows 11 pro. I have set the BIOS to boot to USB so I can install openSUSE. The machine ignores the USB drive. I think this is a security "feature" to prevent the installation of malware, which Microsoft defines as anything you didn't get from Microsoft. OpenSUSE uses a Microsoft signed "shim" for their software. I suspect this means they need to get it signed with the new signing keys. Can anyone confirm if this is the case?? Bill https://redmondmag.com/articles/2024/02/13/windows-secure-boot-update.aspx
On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 18:39:05 -0400 Bill Merriam wrote:
I just bought a computer that came preinstalled with Windows 11 pro. I have set the BIOS to boot to USB so I can install openSUSE. The machine ignores the USB drive.
I think this is a security "feature" to prevent the installation of malware, which Microsoft defines as anything you didn't get from Microsoft.
OpenSUSE uses a Microsoft signed "shim" for their software. I suspect this means they need to get it signed with the new signing keys.
Can anyone confirm if this is the case??
Bill
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2024/02/13/windows-secure-boot-update.aspx
Hi Bill, My first steps would be to disable Windows Fast Startup (hybernation) and then use Windows native tools to re-partition the system drive to make room for the new 'bare metal' Linux installation. If you haven't disabled Windows Fast Startup, I suspect the "sleeping" Windows 11 may be securing itself by disabling booting from the USB. hth & regards, Carl P.S. I prefer 'bare metal' but that isn't the only option: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:03:00 -0400 Carl Hartung via openSUSE Users wrote:
My first steps would be to disable Windows Fast Startup (hybernation) and then use Windows native tools to re-partition the system drive to make room for the new 'bare metal' Linux installation.
Correction: Normally, the Windows native tools are used to "shrink" the Windows system partition to free up enough "unused" space for use by Linux. Installing Linux will create and format the needed Linux partition(s.) Sorry for not fleshing this part out more fully in my original response. Carl
* Bill Merriam <lists@billmerriam.com> [04-06-24 18:41]:
I just bought a computer that came preinstalled with Windows 11 pro. I have set the BIOS to boot to USB so I can install openSUSE. The machine ignores the USB drive.
I think this is a security "feature" to prevent the installation of malware, which Microsoft defines as anything you didn't get from Microsoft.
OpenSUSE uses a Microsoft signed "shim" for their software. I suspect this means they need to get it signed with the new signing keys.
Can anyone confirm if this is the case??
open the machines bios and change the boot method to legacy mode to do the install then google "linux install change boot from legacy to uefi" to change it back, or not. I have machines which some work in legacy and some in eufi. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2024-04-07 00:39, Bill Merriam wrote:
I just bought a computer that came preinstalled with Windows 11 pro. I have set the BIOS to boot to USB so I can install openSUSE. The machine ignores the USB drive.
I think this is a security "feature" to prevent the installation of malware, which Microsoft defines as anything you didn't get from Microsoft.
OpenSUSE uses a Microsoft signed "shim" for their software. I suspect this means they need to get it signed with the new signing keys.
Can anyone confirm if this is the case??
You should say what exact model of computer you bought, so that if somebody knows of an issue of that computer, they can say. The openSUSE media is properly signed.
Bill
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2024/02/13/windows-secure-boot-update.aspx
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
As seems to always be the case the simplest explanation is the best. I was dealing with bad cables, bad media, etc. Windows does not believe in extX (linux) file systems. I am offended by this since Linux believes in NTFS. A Windows utility called rufus helped me create installation media that Windows believed in. There was a small number of issues and I chased down a million possible explanations. I eventually succeeded in installing opensuse without having to delete Windows. I don't know why I (or anybody) wants Windows around. It seems like everything I tried to do with it somebody wanted money for. Thanks everybody. Love live Linux and long live OpenSUSE. Bill On Sun, 2024-04-07 at 01:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2024-04-07 00:39, Bill Merriam wrote:
I just bought a computer that came preinstalled with Windows 11 pro. I have set the BIOS to boot to USB so I can install openSUSE. The machine ignores the USB drive.
I think this is a security "feature" to prevent the installation of malware, which Microsoft defines as anything you didn't get from Microsoft.
OpenSUSE uses a Microsoft signed "shim" for their software. I suspect this means they need to get it signed with the new signing keys.
Can anyone confirm if this is the case??
You should say what exact model of computer you bought, so that if somebody knows of an issue of that computer, they can say.
The openSUSE media is properly signed.
Bill
https://redmondmag.com/articles/2024/02/13/windows-secure-boot-update.aspx
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2024-04-07 22:59, Bill Merriam wrote:
As seems to always be the case the simplest explanation is the best. I was dealing with bad cables, bad media, etc.
Windows does not believe in extX (linux) file systems. I am offended by this since Linux believes in NTFS. A Windows utility called rufus helped me create installation media that Windows believed in.
There was a small number of issues and I chased down a million possible explanations. I eventually succeeded in installing opensuse without having to delete Windows. I don't know why I (or anybody) wants Windows around. It seems like everything I tried to do with it somebody wanted money for.
Thanks everybody. Love live Linux and long live OpenSUSE.
Do not use Rufus. Use the instructions on openSUSE, that recommend Etcher: https://en.opensuse.org/Create_installation_USB_stick#Universal_USB_Installe...) or https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Create_a_Live_USB_stick_using_Windows -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 4/7/2024 17:17:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2024-04-07 22:59, Bill Merriam wrote:
As seems to always be the case the simplest explanation is the best. I was dealing with bad cables, bad media, etc.
Windows does not believe in extX (linux) file systems. I am offended by this since Linux believes in NTFS. A Windows utility called rufus helped me create installation media that Windows believed in.
There was a small number of issues and I chased down a million possible explanations. I eventually succeeded in installing opensuse without having to delete Windows. I don't know why I (or anybody) wants Windows around. It seems like everything I tried to do with it somebody wanted money for.
Thanks everybody. Love live Linux and long live OpenSUSE.
Do not use Rufus.
Why not?
On 2024-04-08 17:02, joe a wrote:
On 4/7/2024 17:17:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2024-04-07 22:59, Bill Merriam wrote:
As seems to always be the case the simplest explanation is the best. I was dealing with bad cables, bad media, etc.
Windows does not believe in extX (linux) file systems. I am offended by this since Linux believes in NTFS. A Windows utility called rufus helped me create installation media that Windows believed in.
There was a small number of issues and I chased down a million possible explanations. I eventually succeeded in installing opensuse without having to delete Windows. I don't know why I (or anybody) wants Windows around. It seems like everything I tried to do with it somebody wanted money for.
Thanks everybody. Love live Linux and long live OpenSUSE.
Do not use Rufus.
Why not?
It is an old recollection, Rufus did not work. Today it is listed in the instructions (second link), and they tell to use "dd mode". There are other modes that would not work, specifically if you tell rufus to make it bootable. Whatever method you use in Windows it has to do a byte for byte raw copy and not try to be clever and create some partitioning or some boot method. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Bill Merriam <lists@billmerriam.com> [04-07-24 17:02]:
As seems to always be the case the simplest explanation is the best. I was dealing with bad cables, bad media, etc.
Windows does not believe in extX (linux) file systems. I am offended by this since Linux believes in NTFS. A Windows utility called rufus helped me create installation media that Windows believed in.
There was a small number of issues and I chased down a million possible explanations. I eventually succeeded in installing opensuse without having to delete Windows. I don't know why I (or anybody) wants Windows around. It seems like everything I tried to do with it somebody wanted money for.
I remove windoz by backing up to an external (thumb)drive and start with a fresh computer. If perchance I need to return the box, I simply put the unregistered version of windoz back and ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
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