Hi, Now that Gnome 2.0 has been released (and, from the screenshots, it loos better than previous) I wondered what people thought was the best and why? James James C. Rocks Equant Archway House Canary Wharf London E14 9SZ Phone: 0207-5226856 Fax: 0207-5126087 Mobile Phone: 07771-767405 http://www.equant.com This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.
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Now that Gnome 2.0 has been released (and, from the screenshots, it loos better than previous) I wondered what people thought was the best and why?
I think new gnome is MY best way. It load faster than kde3, i like the gnome interface more than the 'windows like' interface of kde3, nautilus2 is more beautiful and reliable than konqueror, gnome2 has fewer memory usage, and i think corba, oaf, fam,... is very very powerfull. Ok, its my opinion, i dont want flame. Other people think kde3 is best than gnome2. You have to make your own impression. Test kde3 and gnome2, and think that gnome2 now is in its first stages, it has a lot of way to do. Gnome 2.1 would be the power of linux! ;)
James
Tecla (excuse my english, iam spanish)
Now that Gnome 2.0 has been released (and, from the screenshots, it loos better than previous) I wondered what people thought was the best and why?
I think new gnome is MY best way. It load faster than kde3, i like the gnome interface more than the 'windows like' interface of kde3, nautilus2 is more beautiful and reliable than konqueror, gnome2 has fewer memory
Seeing as this is looking like a genuine discussion rather than a flame war, I'll chuck my opinion in. :) First up, I haven't tried GNOME2 yet. I read the very negative review on Slashdot at the end of last week and thought I'd wait until it's been polished a bit and more apps are ported over. So not only are you guys getting my opinion, you're getting my uninformed opinion too. :) I really would like to move from KDE. As the bloat in there continues to grow it just gets slower and slower. Those who keep their machines up to date probably don't notice it so much, but I don't do anything which requires 2ghz, so why should I upgrade my machine just so I can run an *environment* at decent speed? I was thinking GNOME2 might be the answer, but not after reading that review. It looks like they've finally dragged themselves into the world of decent looking anti-aliased fonts, but still can't write a bit of code which implements a good quality, standard file dialog box. :sigh: I thought Sun were looking at usability issues for GNOME? People talk about Backbox, IceWm, etc., but those aren't real environments (or are they? Is my knowledge here outdated?) I want to be able to click on a link in my news reader and have my browser open. I want to be able to drag the URL to the desktop and see a link icon appear on the desktop. I want faultless drag and drop across apps, I want a CD player to pop up when I put an audio disk in the drive. It's obviously a lot to ask. Microsoft remain the only one's who've got close as yet. In the meantime, KDE is closer than GNOME1.4 was or GNOME2 appears to be at this stage. -- 1:48pm up 49 days, 5:54, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.01
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 02:02:45PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
I really would like to move from KDE. As the bloat in there continues to grow it just gets slower and slower. Those who keep their machines up to date probably don't notice it so much, but I don't do anything which requires 2ghz, so why should I upgrade my machine just so I can run an *environment* at decent speed?
I was thinking GNOME2 might be the answer, but not after reading that review. It looks like they've finally dragged themselves into the world of decent looking anti-aliased fonts, but still can't write a bit of code which implements a good quality, standard file dialog box. :sigh: I thought Sun were looking at usability issues for GNOME?
People talk about Backbox, IceWm, etc., but those aren't real environments (or are they? Is my knowledge here outdated?) I want to be able to click on a link in my news reader and have my browser open. I want to be able to drag the URL to the desktop and see a link icon appear on the desktop. I want faultless drag and drop across apps, I want a CD player to pop up when I put an audio disk in the drive. It's obviously a lot to ask. Microsoft remain the only one's who've got close as yet.
You are right about Blackbox and Icewm not being "environments". They are window managers with a few extra bells and whistles. However, depending on what you want, sometimes less is more. For example, with Icewm, you don't get desktop icons (gmc or nautilus can create these if you want them). However, have you noticed that the new Windows XP desktop comes with few if any icons? MS said they are moving away from desktop icons and in most cases, I prefer NOT to have desktop icons. Once again, this is a personal choice. Some people love to have 100 icons scattered across their desktop. The environment that Icewm gives you is like an enhanced Windows 95. You have a main program start button, taskbar, quick launch buttons, a few tray icons, desktop switch buttons, integrated clock, CPU and network monitors. You can configure the mouse buttons to give you various menus when you click on the desktop, etc. But the main thing you get is consistent, stable behaviour and speed, speed, speed. It takes seconds to start Icewm and seconds to shutdown. Programs start fast and run fast. The menus are easy to understand and customize (compared to the complex maze that is Gnome or KDE). There are some nice GUI tools for customization (icepref and iceme). I might go back to KDE after another point release or two. Konqueror is very, very nice. But for now, I am enjoying the raw speed of a lean setup. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Right behind you, I see the millions Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
various menus when you click on the desktop, etc. But the main thing you get is consistent, stable behaviour and speed, speed, speed. It
The thing is, kwin only takes a couple of seconds to start or stop too. What takes the time is the rest of it: the session manager restarts my prefered application set; the panel starts my applets; something (dunno what!) starts my mixer, klipper (which many people curse but I couldn't do without), alarm monitor, power management daemon and so on. I use all this stuff.
takes seconds to start Icewm and seconds to shutdown. Programs start fast and run fast. The menus are easy to understand and customize
My email client of choice is kmail. My web browser is konquerer. My file manager is konqueror too. My news reader is knode. None of these will start or run any faster if I run them under GNOME or IceWM or anything else. And if I choose to replace them with smaller, lighter components, I loose the integration. There doesn't seem to be a happy medium. I was hoping GNOME2 might be it, but it appears not, or not yet at least. -- 3:50pm up 49 days, 7:56, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.06, 0.01
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 04:09:43PM +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
The thing is, kwin only takes a couple of seconds to start or stop too. What takes the time is the rest of it: the session manager restarts my prefered application set; the panel starts my applets; something (dunno what!) starts my mixer, klipper (which many people curse but I couldn't do without), alarm monitor, power management daemon and so on. I use all this stuff.
True. Don't forget artsd for sound management! If you need all that, KDE is best for you :) By the way, my seconds to start includes starting 2 xterms and gkrellm which I have in my .xinitrc.
My email client of choice is kmail. My web browser is konquerer. My file manager is konqueror too. My news reader is knode. None of these will start or run any faster if I run them under GNOME or IceWM or anything else. And if I choose to replace them with smaller, lighter components, I loose the integration.
There doesn't seem to be a happy medium. I was hoping GNOME2 might be it, but it appears not, or not yet at least.
True, true. KDE apps run slower, or at least start slower in any other environment besides KDE. I like all of those apps you mentioned above, but some of them are not the main apps I use. For example, I use mutt for mail and pan for news. So, my "working set" of apps is somewhat different than yours and that makes the tradeoffs different. Perhaps part of the fun is putting together different "working sets" of apps. The one app that is very hard to replace is Konqueror as a file manager. The Gnome gmc lacks many features, and Nautilus is too slow for me and overfeatured (note I haven't tried the one in Gnome2). My best substitute so far is xftree, which is bundled as part of the Xfce window manager, even though it is an independent program. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Right behind you, I see the millions Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
I know this is three months old, but I happened to spy it while browsing my old [SLE] folder for something else... On Monday 01 July 2002 12:53, Keith Winston wrote: [...]
True, true. KDE apps run slower, or at least start slower in any other environment besides KDE. I like all of those apps you mentioned above, but some of them are not the main apps I use. For example, I use mutt for mail and pan for news. So, my "working set" of apps is somewhat different than yours and that makes the tradeoffs different.
Currently, I use KMail (and before that, Evolution), which deals directly with my ISP to receive and send mail (over ADSL). If I were to switch to something like mutt, I assume that I would need something additional to actually retrieve my mail from the ISP and dump it on my local machine where mutt could find it. Similarly, I would need an additional application to pluck my sent mutt-mail from my outbox directory and pass it on to the ISP... Are those correct assumptions? Would the respective apps be Fetchmail for incoming and Sendmail or Procmail for outgoing? I previously had just one account, but I now have multiple accounts at my ISP, plus a couple of "free" and web-based accounts, and I'd like to automate the harvesting... maybe pick up the wife's mail and store it locally, as well. I've been using pop3 for the ISP mail, but they've started supporting IMAP recently, so that's an option, as well. Thoughts? Suggestions? Further reading? I want to try to do the Linux/UNIX thing and use just standard building blocks for the e-mail tasks, rather than relying on somebody's "branded" utilities. At least, that's what I think I want until I discover what a pain-in-the-ass it is that I'm really inviting... :-) Thanks for your time, /kevin
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 12:33:27PM +0100, James.Rocks@equant.com wrote:
Hi,
Now that Gnome 2.0 has been released (and, from the screenshots, it loos better than previous) I wondered what people thought was the best and why?
This whole thread will likely cause a minor flame war because desktops, like many things, are a personal preference. With that out of the way, let me light my flamethrower... If you are using SuSE, you are likely to get better support and better tested binaries using KDE. This is natural since several KDE developers work for SuSE. It is just a side effect of where SuSE spends more energy, while it is likely to be the reverse with Red Hat since they seem to have more Gnome developers on staff. For me, I think both projects are spinning a bit out of control, and I've recently switched from KDE to Icewm. It is small, fast, themeable, easy to configure, easy to control, and it doesn't leave 200 DCOP errors on your screen when you shut it down. Of course, you can run KDE or Gnome apps in Icewm, but I only run a few of my favorites. Thank you SuSE for giving us a lot of choices (the latest Red Hat doesn't even include Icewm). Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Right behind you, I see the millions Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net
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