[opensuse] To all people who have JAVA problems, please read

Lior Avital

6 Oct 2007 6 Oct '07

23:26

I had Java problems too, until I updated my system with the KDE install disk and started using KDE as default. Java problems are caused because of bad integration with Gnome. Speart -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Cristian Rodriguez

7 Oct 7 Oct

19:36

Lior Avital escribió:

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Java problems are caused because of bad integration with Gnome.

JAVA has nothing to do with GNOME, what are you talking about ? hint: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 will do the trick in case you get "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed or similar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

19:57

On Sunday 07 October 2007 12:36, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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Lior Avital escribió:

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Java problems are caused because of bad integration with Gnome.

JAVA has nothing to do with GNOME, what are you talking about ?

hint: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 will do the trick in case you get "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed or similar.

Wow! Should have known that one. Just out of curiosity - what menu in GNOME is that under? Do we have it in KDE? j/k -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Van Lone

20:03

On 10/7/07, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Wow!

Should have known that one.

Just out of curiosity - what menu in GNOME is that under? Do we have it in KDE?

ROFLMAO! -- -------------------- The more I see the less I know/The more I learn to let [delusions of absolute truth] go www.the-brights.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Damon Register

8 Oct 8 Oct

10:42

Peter Van Lone wrote:

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On 10/7/07, Kai Ponte wrote:

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Wow!

Should have known that one.

Just out of curiosity - what menu in GNOME is that under? Do we have it in KDE?

ROFLMAO! Now you have gotten me curious. Why is this funny?

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Peter Van Lone

11:57

On 10/8/07, Damon Register wrote:

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Now you have gotten me curious. Why is this funny?

because it was so droll ... and because the post it was in response to was so arrogant and assuming, but probably did not realize it. Because very possibly the OP would need a gui/menu item or some context within which to make use of the arrogant repy. And the response just very clearly exposed all of that, with ease and wit. p -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Chuck Davis

17:44

And because Kai is quite an advanced openSuse user and has been for a number of years!! It was really quite funny! On 10/8/07, Peter Van Lone wrote:

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On 10/8/07, Damon Register wrote:

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Now you have gotten me curious. Why is this funny?

because it was so droll ... and because the post it was in response to was so arrogant and assuming, but probably did not realize it. Because very possibly the OP would need a gui/menu item or some context within which to make use of the arrogant repy.

And the response just very clearly exposed all of that, with ease and wit.

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Cristian Rodriguez

7 Oct 7 Oct

20:10

Kai Ponte escribió:

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Just out of curiosity - what menu in GNOME is that under? Do we have it in KDE?

Most applications shipped with openSUSE that needs the mentioned workaround already have a wrapper in place to make it (somewhat) transparent to the users, there is no need for a magic switch in neither gnome nor KDE ('cause the problem has nothing to do with them) ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Chuck Davis

20:41

Christian: SUSE always has screwed up the Java implementation. Do you know the reason why SUSE/Novell can't install Java where it belongs? When I get it from the source it installs to /usr/java/jdkxxxxx. It is easy to update when The Project releases an update and it "just works" with no hassle. SUSE java implementations have always been problematic/non functional. I've gotten so I just install it from Sun and put the real installation in front on the PATH env variable to escape all the nonsense SUSE adds to Java. I would vote to have SUSE install Java where it belongs (as defined by where The Project installs on Linux). Then we wouldn't have to see all these threads on this list. Linux is the premier platform for Java development and it is a pitty SUSE always screws it up. Chuck On 10/7/07, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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Kai Ponte escribió:

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Just out of curiosity - what menu in GNOME is that under? Do we have it in KDE?

Most applications shipped with openSUSE that needs the mentioned workaround already have a wrapper in place to make it (somewhat) transparent to the users, there is no need for a magic switch in neither gnome nor KDE ('cause the problem has nothing to do with them)

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Jan Engelhardt

20:49

On Oct 7 2007 13:41, Chuck Davis wrote:

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SUSE always has screwed up the Java implementation.

I strongly disagree. I just did rpm -Uhv java-1_6_0... today, and that worked out. It simply installs it to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0... and updates /etc/alternatives/java. *Nothing* special.

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Do you know the reason why SUSE/Novell can't install Java where it belongs? When I get it from the source it installs to /usr/java/jdkxxxxx.

That is not where it belongs IMHHO. /usr/java is not FHS-compliant *at all*. Either /usr/lib/program or better yet, /opt/program. SunRay SS and Mozilla are both in /opt or distributed over /usr/lib, too. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Chuck Davis

20:58

Jan: I have to strongly disagree. That install makes it impossible to stay current for those of us who work on the cutting edge of Java and Netbeans. I don't care whether SUSE changes or Sun/OpenJDK changes but I wish they would get their act together for the benefit of we developers. When there is an update to Java I don't want to wait 3 months for SUSE/Novell to get around to updating some repositroy. I want it now. Additionally, I live on the daily development builds of Netbeans so I wouldn't even be able to THINK about using a SUSE repository for updates of my IDE. Chuck On 10/7/07, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

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On Oct 7 2007 13:41, Chuck Davis wrote:

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SUSE always has screwed up the Java implementation.

I strongly disagree. I just did rpm -Uhv java-1_6_0... today, and that worked out. It simply installs it to /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0... and updates /etc/alternatives/java. *Nothing* special.

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Do you know the reason why SUSE/Novell can't install Java where it belongs? When I get it from the source it installs to /usr/java/jdkxxxxx.

That is not where it belongs IMHHO. /usr/java is not FHS-compliant *at all*. Either /usr/lib/program or better yet, /opt/program. SunRay SS and Mozilla are both in /opt or distributed over /usr/lib, too. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Philipp Thomas

8 Oct 8 Oct

00:57

New subject: [opensuse] Re: To all people who have JAVA problems, please read

[Please refrain from top posting, thanks] On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:58:41 -0700, Chuck Davis wrote:

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I have to strongly disagree. That install makes it impossible to stay current for those of us who work on the cutting edge of Java and Netbeans.

And? Sun Java just happens to not be the only Java implementation. There is at least IBM's and BEA's version. If you want to work on the cutting edge, you'll have to do all on your own, so simply remove SUSE's Java package, ignore FHS and only install Sun's tarballs.

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I want it now. Additionally, I live on the daily development builds of Netbeans so I wouldn't even be able to THINK about using a SUSE repository for updates of my IDE.

Those that work on the cutting edge risk bleeding now and then. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

02:32

New subject: [opensuse] Re: To all people who have JAVA problems, please read

On Sunday 07 October 2007 17:57, Philipp Thomas wrote:

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Additionally, I live on the daily development builds of Netbeans so I wouldn't even be able to THINK about using a SUSE repository for updates of my IDE.

Those that work on the cutting edge risk bleeding now and then.

LOL! Actually, for netbeans one can install the JDK/JRE in a local folder. I - for example - use a local JDK in my /home/kai/apps/java folder.. I also put netbeans in my /home/kai/apps/netbeans folder. (I have a seperate subfolder for each development version of netbeans. -- kai ponte www.perfectreign.com www.donutmonster.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Benji Weber

08:42

On 07/10/2007, Chuck Davis wrote:

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Jan:

I have to strongly disagree. That install makes it impossible to stay current for those of us who work on the cutting edge of Java and Netbeans.

Nonsense, I run netbeans daily builds, and have no problems whatsoever using openSUSE java packages. These problems are in fact caused by /sun/'s packages. Which amongst other problems install to non standard locations. _ Benjamin Weber -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

LLLActive＠GMX.Net

11:05

On Sun, 2007-10-07 at 15:36 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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Lior Avital escribió:

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Java problems are caused because of bad integration with Gnome.

JAVA has nothing to do with GNOME, what are you talking about ?

hint: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 will do the trick in case you get "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed or similar.

From my post today I asked: I wanted to install a VMWare Workstation 5.5.1 on OpenSUSE 10.3. It worked well under OpenSUSE 10.2.

The installation goes well, but when VMWare is started the following error comes up: vmware: xcb_xlib.c:52: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. I followed the hint: :~/> vmware vmware: xcb_xlib.c:52: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. :~/5> export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 now I get: :~/> vmware vmware: xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) - (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed. :-( Al -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hugo Garcia

22:02

On 10/7/07, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:

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Lior Avital escribió:

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Java problems are caused because of bad integration with Gnome.

JAVA has nothing to do with GNOME, what are you talking about ?

hint: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 will do the trick in case you get "xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed or similar.

True, GNOME has nothing to do with Java but the problem was found to be the bug tracker in GNOME cutting in at the wrong time and there is a bug report in both Novell and Gnome project documenting it. So... in a way.. it is poor integration. -H -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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