I looked at the suggestions for improvements at the open suse site and noticed that there is no request for the ability to write to partitions formatted for Windows. Have I missed something, or is that something that will likely not appear in Linux for the fore-guessable future? djtuchler
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I looked at the suggestions for improvements at the open suse site and noticed that there is no request for the ability to write to partitions formatted for Windows. Have I missed something, or is that something that will likely not appear in Linux for the fore-guessable future?
AFAIK, the NFTS file system module does already allow/support it, but it is disabled by default as the author/s cannot give any guarantees - lack of filesystem specs or something similar. /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 20:01 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I looked at the suggestions for improvements at the open suse site and noticed that there is no request for the ability to write to partitions formatted for Windows. Have I missed something, or is that something that will likely not appear in Linux for the fore-guessable future?
AFAIK, the NFTS file system module does already allow/support it, but it is disabled by default as the author/s cannot give any guarantees - lack of filesystem specs or something similar.
Per is this the one that uses ntfs.sys from Windows or the OSS implementation of ntfs?
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I looked at the suggestions for improvements at the open suse site and noticed that there is no request for the ability to write to partitions formatted for Windows. Have I missed something, or is that something that will likely not appear in Linux for the fore-guessable future?
AFAIK, there's no official plan to do this. There are unofficial projects which allow for ntfs writing but they are not offically sanctioned. Keep in mind that Windows NT 6 - code name vista - has the same 3.1 driver as in the current versions of NT but may be updated when they eventually release the winFS subsystem. I've heard decent things about NTFSMount... http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ ..YMMV, however. :) -- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Well there is new code called NTFS-3G which allows writes and is stable but it is not in the kernel because its a userspace utility - I hope that this code can be moved into the distro.
Alexey Eremenko a écrit :
Well there is new code called NTFS-3G which allows writes and is stable but it is not in the kernel because its a userspace utility - I hope that this code can be moved into the distro.
Hello, There is too, "captive-ntfs" which uses the "fuse" package and the genuine MS "ntfs.sys" driver. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ This solution works perfectly in my boxes. The RPM is for RH so the init script wants to install in /etc/rc.d/init.d instead of /etc/init.d so I created the folder /etc/init.d/init.d the script installed, then I moved the script to /etc/init.d and erased the folder /etc/init.d/init.d Michel.
captive NTFS and Paragon NTFS drivers are both a LOT slower than the new NTFS 3G driver. The new NTFS 3G driver outperforms easily even Linux-native ext3 driver.
Hello, does any of the mentioned driver (with write access support) sets hardlinks? I'm looking for a incremental backup solution to external drive. If I format it ext2 or reiser, no support under windows. If I format to ntfs no use in linux. So I would a great improvement having a fast, write enabled driver...
Johannes Nohl a écrit :
Hello,
does any of the mentioned driver (with write access support) sets hardlinks? I'm looking for a incremental backup solution to external drive. If I format it ext2 or reiser, no support under windows. If I format to ntfs no use in linux. So I would a great improvement having a fast, write enabled driver...
If you want hardlinks, you can use ext3 drivers for Windows such as mount everything from Paragon Software. It mounts read and write ext3 file systems but the result is more fragmented than with Linux. Michel.
On 8/25/06, Catimimi <catimimi@libertysurf.fr> wrote:
Johannes Nohl a écrit :
Hello,
does any of the mentioned driver (with write access support) sets hardlinks? I'm looking for a incremental backup solution to external drive. If I format it ext2 or reiser, no support under windows. If I format to ntfs no use in linux. So I would a great improvement having a fast, write enabled driver...
If you want hardlinks, you can use ext3 drivers for Windows such as mount everything from Paragon Software. It mounts read and write ext3 file systems but the result is more fragmented than with Linux.
Michel.
IIRC I tested the paragon driver a year and a half ago. It did not work well for me. Maybe it is better now. You may want to search the archives for "freemyer paragon" to see if I posted anything at the time. Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century
On Friday 25 August 2006 1:34 pm, Johannes Nohl wrote:
Hello,
does any of the mentioned driver (with write access support) sets hardlinks? I'm looking for a incremental backup solution to external drive. If I format it ext2 or reiser, no support under windows. If I format to ntfs no use in linux. So I would a great improvement having a fast, write enabled driver... Since you are looking for a backup solution for both Windows and Linux, take a look at BackupPC (http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/info.html).
One of the problems in backing up both Windows and Linux file systems is that they have different attributes. On Linux we have the standard file permissions and ownership, and on Windows they have attributes, such as hidden. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
Alexey Eremenko a écrit :
Well there is new code called NTFS-3G which allows writes and is stable but it is not in the kernel because its a userspace utility - I hope that this code can be moved into the distro.
Thanks for the tip, I just tried it and adopt it ! It is faster then captive and accepts to mount larges partitions with large files. For instance I'm able to share between Linux and XP a 10Go virtuel disk for vmware.
Am Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 20:06 schrieb PerfectReign:
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote:
I looked at the suggestions for improvements at the open suse site and noticed that there is no request for the ability to write to partitions formatted for Windows. Have I missed something, or is that something that will likely not appear in Linux for the fore-guessable future?
AFAIK, there's no official plan to do this. There are unofficial projects which allow for ntfs writing but they are not offically sanctioned.
Keep in mind that Windows NT 6 - code name vista - has the same 3.1 driver as in the current versions of NT but may be updated when they eventually release the winFS subsystem.
I've heard decent things about NTFSMount...
..YMMV, however. :)
-- Kai Ponte www.perfectreign.com
I tried to install openSUSE 10.2 on my test machine alongside the Vista Beta, but it kept complaining that the NTFS journal file was corrupt and it couldn't shrink the partition, so it looks like Microsoft might have tweaked something, either that or the partition shrinker in 10.2 needs some work... -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
I can tell you that shrinking an XP partition on my new laptop with Earlier traffic on this group about all of this discussion with various approaches to resolution. Usually, I like to just have a second drive for Linux when I dual boot which is necessary if limited harddrive space is happening or shrinking doesn't work. In the end, I used partition magic to shrink the XP partition and then Linux installed ok.
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:40:51 -0700 Robert Lewis <rll@felton.felton.ca.us> wrote:
I can tell you that shrinking an XP partition on my new laptop with Earlier traffic on this group about all of this discussion with various approaches to resolution. Usually, I like to just have a second drive for Linux when I dual boot which is necessary if limited harddrive space is happening or shrinking doesn't work.
In the end, I used partition magic to shrink the XP partition and then Linux installed ok. I used to use Partition Magic, but I found that QTParted gives me the same results, and it does understand Linux. But, Partition Magic is an excellent product. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On Saturday 26 August 2006 07:40, Robert Lewis wrote:
I can tell you that shrinking an XP partition on my new laptop with Earlier traffic on this group about all of this discussion with various approaches to resolution. Usually, I like to just have a second drive for Linux when I dual boot which is necessary if limited harddrive space is happening or shrinking doesn't work.
In the end, I used partition magic to shrink the XP partition and then Linux installed ok.
Sage advice regarding two drives. I've done it both ways, letting the installer do the shrinking and installing a second drive. Both worked Flawlessly. The partition shrinking was almost magic. Clue: defrag first. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Saturday 26 August 2006 3:54 pm, John Andersen wrote:
Clue: defrag first. Absolutely. Like FAT32 and FAT16, NTFS does not attempt to keep things defragmented. Additionally, you might also notice that some files do not get moved by the defragmenter. I was amused a while back when I installed Windows 2000 from scratch on a clean system where, after the installation there was quite a bit of fragmentaiton. Even on old (ancient is more appropriate) Unix systems, a simple backup and restore of a hightly fragmented file system would leave an unfragmented system. In the olden days, the way to defragment a Unix file system was to back up, reformat - mkfs, then restore. The newer Unix and Linux file systems handle fragmentation quite well, and there sould be very little fragmentation on a modern Linux or Unix file system unless it is well over 80% utilized. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
On Saturday 26 August 2006 02:21, David Wright wrote: I tried to install openSUSE 10.2 on my test machine alongside the Vista Beta, but it kept complaining that the NTFS journal file was corrupt and it couldn't shrink the partition, so it looks like Microsoft might have tweaked something, either that or the partition shrinker in 10.2 needs some work... -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa ******************************************************************************************** Has a full defrag and chkdsk -f been ran on the Vista PC? I've had this issue with WinXP before and there was a prob with the journal that Windows had neglected to tell me about. Wade "Sleep is for the weak"
Am Samstag, 26. August 2006 18:06 schrieb Wade Jones:
On Saturday 26 August 2006 02:21, David Wright wrote:
I tried to install openSUSE 10.2 on my test machine alongside the Vista Beta, but it kept complaining that the NTFS journal file was corrupt and it couldn't shrink the partition, so it looks like Microsoft might have tweaked something, either that or the partition shrinker in 10.2 needs some work...
Has a full defrag and chkdsk -f been ran on the Vista PC? I've had this issue with WinXP before and there was a prob with the journal that Windows had neglected to tell me about.
Wade "Sleep is for the weak"
Yes, after it failed the first time, I did a chkdsk and defrag and then tried again, I got the same error. I only mentioned it because of the original comments on NTFS changing... I normally only use one OS at a time on the test machine, but as Vista on the test machine was the only Windows I had on any of my machines at the time, I had hoped to shrink it... I just imaged it and re-formatted the whole drive in the end. -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
On Saturday 26 August 2006 12:06 pm, Wade Jones wrote:
On Saturday 26 August 2006 02:21, David Wright wrote:
I tried to install openSUSE 10.2 on my test machine alongside the Vista Beta, but it kept complaining that the NTFS journal file was corrupt and it couldn't shrink the partition, so it looks like Microsoft might have tweaked something, either that or the partition shrinker in 10.2 needs some work... Again, while there might have been some MSFT changes to NTFS/Vista, in my experience, the partitioner in SuSE 10.1 caused a similar problem where qtparted from a recent knoppix stand-alone did the job with no errors. -- Jerry Feldman <gaf@blu.org> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9
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