[opensuse] Once again Alt-F2 # doesn't work - 15.1
Used to be, I could press Alt-F2 # to enter a command to get the man page for that command. It is once again broken. For example, if I try a command such as ls, nothing happens. If the command is fstab, then the man page opens in Firefox. But if the command is mount, something called Discover opens. I get different results, depending on the command I try to get the man page for. Why is something that used to work so reliably now so flakey? This is on a fresh install of 15.1. It also didn't work properly for me in 15.0. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [05-29-19 14:50]:
Used to be, I could press Alt-F2 # to enter a command to get the man page for that command. It is once again broken. For example, if I try a command such as ls, nothing happens. If the command is fstab, then the man page opens in Firefox. But if the command is mount, something called Discover opens. I get different results, depending on the command I try to get the man page for. Why is something that used to work so reliably now so flakey? This is on a fresh install of 15.1. It also didn't work properly for me in 15.0.
you seem to be having many difficulties :( <alt><f2>man: fstab works quite well an a fresh 15.1 install -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-05-29 02:53 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [05-29-19 14:50]:
Used to be, I could press Alt-F2 # to enter a command to get the man page for that command. It is once again broken. For example, if I try a command such as ls, nothing happens. If the command is fstab, then the man page opens in Firefox. But if the command is mount, something called Discover opens. I get different results, depending on the command I try to get the man page for. Why is something that used to work so reliably now so flakey? This is on a fresh install of 15.1. It also didn't work properly for me in 15.0. you seem to be having many difficulties :(
<alt><f2>man: fstab works quite well
an a fresh 15.1 install
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install. I have absolutely no idea where to look to resolve this. In earlier versions, it was possible to configure what happened with the Alt-F2 commands, but that seems to be gone. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [05-29-19 15:11]:
On 2019-05-29 02:53 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [05-29-19 14:50]:
Used to be, I could press Alt-F2 # to enter a command to get the man page for that command. It is once again broken. For example, if I try a command such as ls, nothing happens. If the command is fstab, then the man page opens in Firefox. But if the command is mount, something called Discover opens. I get different results, depending on the command I try to get the man page for. Why is something that used to work so reliably now so flakey? This is on a fresh install of 15.1. It also didn't work properly for me in 15.0. you seem to be having many difficulties :(
<alt><f2>man: fstab works quite well
an a fresh 15.1 install
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install. I have absolutely no idea where to look to resolve this. In earlier versions, it was possible to configure what happened with the Alt-F2 commands, but that seems to be gone.
no, not gone. mouse click or tab to the left side of the "search bar" to the dotted double line icon and you have config. do you not experiment or notice or search for things at all? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2019-05-29 03:15 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
no, not gone. mouse click or tab to the left side of the "search bar" to the dotted double line icon and you have config.
do you not experiment or notice or search for things at all?
I have seen those settings elsewhere, but are not what I was referring to. Previously you could edit the various commands that could be run from Alt-F2. I recall there were things such as the amateur radio call book and more. It was a long list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@jknott.net> [05-29-19 16:44]:
On 2019-05-29 03:15 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
no, not gone. mouse click or tab to the left side of the "search bar" to the dotted double line icon and you have config.
do you not experiment or notice or search for things at all?
I have seen those settings elsewhere, but are not what I was referring to. Previously you could edit the various commands that could be run from Alt-F2. I recall there were things such as the amateur radio call book and more. It was a long list.
perhaps from systemsettings5 but I do not know which part. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 29/05/2019 21.10, James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-29-19 17:17]:
On 29/05/2019 21.10, James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so??? it is iiuc an openSUSE facilitation to easily install an application from a search at software.opensuse.org/search using firefox. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. composed:
James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g. <https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/536096-Applied-recommended-updates-Now-can-only-reboot-into-command-line-mode?p=2903944#post2903944>
it is iiuc an openSUSE facilitation to easily install an application from a search at software.opensuse.org/search using firefox.
It's painfully easy to add a wrong repo that stays enabled through a subsequent updates round that in turn causes partial upgrades, and an inconsistent (broken) OS installation. openSUSE needs someone with the authority, talent and interest to fix 1-click so that this trouble is much less frequent, or disappears altogether. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> [05-29-19 18:06]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. composed:
James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g.
it tells you it is adding a repo and gives you the option to decline the addition
it is iiuc an openSUSE facilitation to easily install an application from a search at software.opensuse.org/search using firefox.
It's painfully easy to add a wrong repo that stays enabled through a subsequent updates round that in turn causes partial upgrades, and an inconsistent (broken) OS installation.
only if one fails to follow the instructions which are quite explicit. if one still borks his system, he probably would have anyway.
openSUSE needs someone with the authority, talent and interest to fix 1-click so that this trouble is much less frequent, or disappears altogether.
what *exactly* needs fixing and which bug reports apply.
-- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
my school must be the exception, or you went to a school which disagreed with the science. or you are imposing religion on list mail :( . -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/05/2019 00.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <> [05-29-19 18:06]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. composed:
James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g.
it tells you it is adding a repo and gives you the option to decline the addition
The fact is, it is often associated with breakage. We must now investigate James problems with Amarok and now alt F2 with this into account.
-- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
my school must be the exception, or you went to a school which disagreed with the science.
or you are imposing religion on list mail :( .
Please, don't discuss offtopic signature tags on mailing lists. If you want to, please take it to the OT list or offline. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
* Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> [05-29-19 18:54]:
On 30/05/2019 00.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <> [05-29-19 18:06]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. composed:
James Knott wrote:
It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g.
it tells you it is adding a repo and gives you the option to decline the addition
The fact is, it is often associated with breakage. We must now investigate James problems with Amarok and now alt F2 with this into account.
so you *blame* the "one click installs" for James' problems with Amarok? amazing. you have evidence of this?
-- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
my school must be the exception, or you went to a school which disagreed with the science.
or you are imposing religion on list mail :( .
Please, don't discuss offtopic signature tags on mailing lists. If you want to, please take it to the OT list or offline.
then don't post them here and if the comment was OT, so was your retort so ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 30/05/2019 01.01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [05-29-19 18:54]:
On 30/05/2019 00.45, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Felix Miata <> [05-29-19 18:06]:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
Carlos E. R. composed:
James Knott wrote:
> It seemed to be OK, when I first installed 15.1, but something changed > afterwards, but I have no idea what. The only thing I've installed that > didn't come from the 15.1 distro was Amarok, which was installed with > one click install.
Ah, one click! To me, one click is suspicious.
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g.
it tells you it is adding a repo and gives you the option to decline the addition
The fact is, it is often associated with breakage. We must now investigate James problems with Amarok and now alt F2 with this into account.
so you *blame* the "one click installs" for James' problems with Amarok? amazing. you have evidence of this?
Experience. But I don't blame. I simply suspect and want to investigate. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 18:45 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata composed:
Patrick Shanahan composed on 2019-05-29 17:22 (UTC-0400):
why so???
Because it frequently results in a TW repo being added to a Leap installation, followed up by a partial unintended upgrade to TW, followed by a mailing list or forum thread plea for help. e.g.
it tells you it is adding a repo and gives you the option to decline the addition
It doesn't tell me anything. I don't use it. It apparently makes the option to add a mismatched repo too easy for the uninitiated to choose appropriately, judging by the number of 'zypper lr -d' requests in mailing lists and forums by those who have their Leap installations contaminated by TW repos.
it is iiuc an openSUSE facilitation to easily install an application from a search at software.opensuse.org/search using firefox.
It's painfully easy to add a wrong repo that stays enabled through a subsequent updates round that in turn causes partial upgrades, and an inconsistent (broken) OS installation.
only if one fails to follow the instructions which are quite explicit. if one still borks his system, he probably would have anyway.
Apparently they are not explicit enough, or too explicit and complicated, judging by the number of 'zypper lr -d' requests in mailing lists and forums by those trying to help those who have had their Leap installations contaminated by TW or home or Factory or other BS repos. Or, there should be no need for instruction. After all, it's a 1-click operation, so "easy" anybody should be able to do it.
openSUSE needs someone with the authority, talent and interest to fix 1-click so that this trouble is much less frequent, or disappears altogether.
what *exactly* needs fixing and which bug reports apply. I don't use 1-click. I don't know why it happens. I just know it happens. I'm one of the people requesting OPs provide zypper lr -d output in order to describe what repo needs to be disabled or removed to fix their brokenness.
Until someone with the authority, talent and interest to fix 1-click so that this trouble is much less frequent, or disappears altogether, what's the point? Such a person could start by picking through some of these: <https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldfrom=7y&chfieldto=Now&classification=openSUSE&columnlist=opendate%2Cchangeddate%2Cproduct%2Ccomponent%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cbug_severity%2Ckeywords%2Cshort_desc&list_id=11887751&query_format=advanced&short_desc=1-click&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr> -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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