Eval version of Suse Linux 10.0
I am about to download the "evaluation" version of Suse Linux 10.0. What I would like to know is this: are there any restrictions on what I can do with this version, or is it the exact same version as the one you can buy in the shops? Thanks Andrew.
Andrew Pattison escribió:
I am about to download the "evaluation" version of Suse Linux 10.0. What I would like to know is this: are there any restrictions on what I can do with this version, or is it the exact same version as the one you can buy in the shops?
AFAIK there is no restriction at all. naming is very confusing.
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
Andrew Pattison escribió:
I am about to download the "evaluation" version of Suse Linux 10.0. What I would like to know is this: are there any restrictions on what I can do with this version, or is it the exact same version as the one you can buy in the shops?
AFAIK there is no restriction at all. naming is very confusing.
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it 1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB. Everything clear now? -- Dr. Martin Sommer Product Manager Consumer Products SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, D-90409 Nürnberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740 530 Fax: +49 (0) 911 740 53 575 Email: martin.sommer@suse.com ----------------------------------------------------------
Monday 10 Oct 2005 13:09 samaye Martin Sommer alekhiit:
The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box
What did not come out of the box is called "evaluation" in English or any other language? No personal sarcasm meant, but I haven't bought any evaluation apples or oranges till now - the English language just doesn't work that way. And the various confused queries on this list stemming from the usage word "Eval" are proof of that. [ Would you care to look up Merriam Websters: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=evaluation ?]
2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Then call it a "light" DVD, not an "eval" DVD. *But*, if you call this DVD light, then you must call the CDs "light" too, else people will never know (without all the footnotes added by me and others at http://www.opensuse.org/Template:ReleasesTable) that the CDs and the DVD have the same contents, and that again gives rise to questions on the list - causing unnecessary traffic on the list, expenditure of energy on the part of the questioners, answerers, computers... IMO you should simply remove the word Eval. If you want to emphasize that people are not getting the fullllll thing by downloading (I can understand why you might want to do that) then call *all* the downloadable files "light" or "slim" or whatever. Not just one or two of them. And certainly not "Eval". Suggested new file names: (from the list lifted off: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/iso) SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light-CD1.iso SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light-CD2.iso SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light-CD3.iso SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light-CD4.iso SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light-CD5.iso SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light.iso.torrent SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-Light.torrent SUSE-10.0-DVD-i386-GM-Light.iso SUSE-10.0-DVD-i386-GM-Light.iso.torrent SUSE-10.0-DVD-x86_64-GM-Light.iso SUSE-10.0-DVD-x86_64-GM-Light.iso.torrent SUSE-10.0-LiveDVD.iso SUSE-10.0-LiveDVD.iso.torrent All those in concurrence with me raise their virtual hands and say "aye". Shriramana Sharma.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 01:29:18PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
IMO you should simply remove the word Eval. If you want to emphasize that people are not getting the fullllll thing by downloading (I can understand why you might want to do that) then call *all* the downloadable files "light" or "slim" or whatever. Not just one or two of them. And certainly not "Eval".
Light is indeed a bery good alternative name instead of eval. Slim less so, because it might be mistaken for SLICK. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2005 09:59 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
Monday 10 Oct 2005 13:09 samaye Martin Sommer alekhiit:
The name "Eval" is because ... Suggested new file names: (from the list lifted off: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/iso) ... All those in concurrence with me raise their virtual hands and say "aye".
aye! I noticed the difference after the 9.3 -> 10.0 updater has killed about 300 packages...grmpf -- mdc
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 09:39:14AM +0200, Martin Sommer wrote:
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Everything clear now?
No, not really. The name evaluation is still confising for people who do not read this message and come to the site. The name should be in such a way understandable that you do not need to post a clarification. The amount of questions around this should make it clear that people unfortunatly do not understand these differences. I understand that the thought behind it is that you use the download version to `evaluate` it to be made interested to but the retail version. The average user however things that SUSE Linux OSS fits that description already. It is even more confusing if the OSS and the Eval are binary identical, with the OSS having less software. Why should I download the OSS instead of the Eval? My opnion is that the Eval and the OSS are so close together that you should drop one. Just add a 6th CD with all the non-OSS stuff for people to download that can be added as an instalation source. The space you make available could be made available for an OSS DVD. So for 10.0 I would go this way: 1 Retail (Full DVD+6CD set) 1 OSS (5CD or DVD with the same content) 1 CD with extra's that can be used as an instalation source. I know how to make my own DVD from the CD's, so for me you can drop that part. ;-) houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Hello,
On 10/10/05, houghi
No, not really. The name evaluation is still confising for people who do not read this message and come to the site. The name should be in such a way understandable that you do not need to post a clarification. The amount of questions around this should make it clear that people unfortunatly do not understand these differences.
I think the best way to satisfy all users on this list is to make a more detailed page on www.opensuse.org about the differences between SuSE/OpenSUSE/Eval/CD/DVD. There's a lot of unwanted traffic coming from the mailing list about this subject. Everyone is asking about the differences and almost nobody tries to read the archives before asking the same question asked about 2-3 days ago.
So for 10.0 I would go this way: 1 Retail (Full DVD+6CD set) 1 OSS (5CD or DVD with the same content) 1 CD with extra's that can be used as an instalation source.
That's a good idea but sound more like Mandriva's policy. Making more flavours of the same distribution and adding 1 more CD to every flavour, but like I said is a good idea ;) Yours faithfully, -- Damian Mihai Liviu Phone: +40741226993 Yahoo: liviudm_cisco URL: http://liviudm.blogspot.com
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 11:23:34AM +0300, Dazzle wrote:
I think the best way to satisfy all users on this list is to make a more detailed page on www.opensuse.org about the differences between SuSE/OpenSUSE/Eval/CD/DVD. There's a lot of unwanted traffic coming from the mailing list about this subject. Everyone is asking about the differences and almost nobody tries to read the archives before asking the same question asked about 2-3 days ago.
OK, put you money where your mouth is and start making one. ;-) If everybody is waiting for others to start doing things, we would still be living in caves and the download speed there is terrible. :-D
That's a good idea but sound more like Mandriva's policy. Making more flavours of the same distribution and adding 1 more CD to every flavour, but like I said is a good idea ;)
Well, the two flavours are there already. The OSS and the Retail version. As all the rest is online, I see no reason to have something in between that are essientally these packages: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/16015.html You could also either put all the rest on CD/DVD, work with Jigdo (if implemented into YaST) or just leave it on the server and let people add repo's. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Hello,
On 10/10/05, houghi
OK, put you money where your mouth is and start making one. ;-) If everybody is waiting for others to start doing things, we would still be living in caves and the download speed there is terrible. :-D
http://www.opensuse.org/Users_FAQ - the last 3 questions from Installation Media section. Feel free to make corrections including spelling. Yours faithfully, -- Damian Mihai Liviu Phone: +40741226993 Yahoo: liviudm_cisco URL: http://liviudm.blogspot.com
Monday 10 Oct 2005 13:41 samaye houghi alekhiit:
Why should I download the OSS instead of the Eval? My opnion is that the Eval and the OSS are so close together that you should drop one.
Hear hear. I also strongly vote for no more Eval versions. The OSS downloadable version is enough. Give us repositories for non-OSS stuff - that will do.
Just add a 6th CD with all the non-OSS stuff for people to download that can be added as an instalation source.
Non-OSS stuff do not warrant an entire CD, surely? Aren't these the only non-OSS stuff: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/SUSE-Linux10.0-GM-Extra/suse ? 112.7 MB? Can't be squeezed in somewhere by dropping something less important? Or even without dropping anything?
The space you make available could be made available for an OSS DVD.
Yeah.
So for 10.0
You mean 10.1...
I would go this way:
Retail:
1 Retail (Full DVD+6CD set) Full DVD meaning dual-layer DVD with everything for both 32-bit and 64-bit.
Downloads:
1 OSS (5CD or DVD with the same content) The 5 CDs version is enough. Include Houghi's script on the same folder with a note in the readme saying that people can use this to make their own DVD. Save space on the mirrors.
1 CD with extra's that can be used as an instalation source. This can be just another FTP repository. No need to include any more CD images. Anyone wanting the non-OSS stuff need not burn an entire CD, as I said above.
I know how to make my own DVD from the CD's, so for me you can drop that part. ;-)
BTW Houghi, if they make it 6 CDs as you say, will your DVD-maker script still work without modifications? Shriramana.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 02:05:52PM +0530, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Non-OSS stuff do not warrant an entire CD, surely? Aren't these the only non-OSS stuff: ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/10.0/SUSE-Linux10.0-GM-Extra/suse ? 112.7 MB? Can't be squeezed in somewhere by dropping something less important? Or even without dropping anything?
It could possibly be put on somewhere and then it won't be OSS anymore and can't be put online.
Retail:
1 Retail (Full DVD+6CD set) Full DVD meaning dual-layer DVD with everything for both 32-bit and 64-bit.
Yes.
Downloads:
1 OSS (5CD or DVD with the same content) The 5 CDs version is enough. Include Houghi's script on the same folder with a note in the readme saying that people can use this to make their own DVD. Save space on the mirrors.
Apperently Novell wants a CD with non-OSS stuff (for the boxed set) so that is why I added it. Wether or not they want to put it online is their choice.
I know how to make my own DVD from the CD's, so for me you can drop that part. ;-)
BTW Houghi, if they make it 6 CDs as you say, will your DVD-maker script still work without modifications?
Yes. I even use it with the 1_CD to put on my HD. Must try it with 10 CD's and see what happens. (32 and 64 bit) Don't forget that you can also just download the boot.iso and do the instalation or do a diskless instalation. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
Monday 10 Oct 2005 14:39 samaye houghi alekhiit:
It could possibly be put on somewhere and then it won't be OSS anymore and can't be put online.
I don't understand. acroread are not OSS, but if SUSE hosts that on their server what's wrong? If it were wrong, SUSE won't be doing it. Of that I think we can be sure. See - DeCSS is not illegal in all countries, and yet Novell excludes it from SUSE, to be "squeaky clean" as a friend of mine put it. So I think if SUSE hosts acroread, flashplayer etc, it's not wrong to make them available for download. Shriramana.
don't you think it's time to stop wasting bandwith with questions on this subject? Go wiki, do a good page (if not already done) and direct the questions that come twice a day to this page. I'm pretty sure there will no more be an "eval" file of this kind any more :-), don't blame this much Novell folks. they do what they can, and mostly very good job. I won't say a tread about naming is not worth, but please keep it on one subject I can sort out :-). thanks jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
Monday 10 Oct 2005 14:54 samaye jdd alekhiit:
don't you think it's time to stop wasting bandwith with questions on this subject?
That's already done, jdd - houghi and I are talking about how Novell can improve the distribution for next version onwards. Granted, it's slightly off the OP's topic, but I hope you are not reprimanding *us* (houghi and me) for this discussion.
Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Monday 10 Oct 2005 14:54 samaye jdd alekhiit:
don't you think it's time to stop wasting bandwith with questions on this subject?
That's already done, jdd - houghi and I are talking about how Novell can improve the distribution for next version onwards. Granted, it's slightly off the OP's topic, but I hope you are not reprimanding *us* (houghi and me) for this discussion.
certainly not :-) but you should chage the subject, because many could, like me, delete this thread without reading, and thus miss some interesting stuff :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 12:10 +0200, jdd wrote:
Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Monday 10 Oct 2005 14:54 samaye jdd alekhiit:
don't you think it's time to stop wasting bandwith with questions on this subject?
That's already done, jdd - houghi and I are talking about how Novell can improve the distribution for next version onwards. Granted, it's slightly off the OP's topic, but I hope you are not reprimanding *us* (houghi and me) for this discussion.
certainly not :-)
but you should chage the subject, because many could, like me, delete this thread without reading, and thus miss some interesting stuff :-)
You -don't- change the subject just you feel the topic has changed, just start a NEW thread. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On 10/10/2005 04:41 PM Ken Schneider wrote:
You -don't- change the subject just you feel the topic has changed, just start a NEW thread.
Why not? OJ -- `...a very ancient wizarding family noted for a vein of instability and violence that flourished through the generations due to their habit of merrying their own cousins.? (Albus Dumbledore in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince)
On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 21:13 +0200, Johannes Kastl wrote:
On 10/10/2005 04:41 PM Ken Schneider wrote:
You -don't- change the subject just you feel the topic has changed, just start a NEW thread.
Why not?
Learn how to use a threaded email client and you will know why. Only the lazy hi-jack an email and just change the subject matter. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On 10/10/2005 09:19 PM Ken Schneider wrote:
Learn how to use a threaded email client and you will know why. Only the lazy hi-jack an email and just change the subject matter.
I use a threaded mail client (called either Mozilla 1.7.12 or SM 1.0a), and I know about how to change the subject. Im not talking about asking a question that is *not* related to the previous subject in a thread (aka hi-jacking). But if the discussiontopic in a thread changes slightly, I find there is no problem with adjusting the subject, so everybody can see that the topic is different. But it still "belongs" to that thread, as it has started with the original threads topic. 42, OJ -- "...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)." (By Matt Welsh)
* Johannes Kastl
Im not talking about asking a question that is *not* related to the previous subject in a thread (aka hi-jacking).
hi-jacking pertains to changing the Subject to a NEW and perhaps unrelated subject.
But if the discussiontopic in a thread changes slightly, I find there is no problem with adjusting the subject, so everybody can see that the topic is different. But it still "belongs" to that thread, as it has started with the original threads topic.
For an evolving discussion, a new subject including "was:" is appropriate and indicated, as I see it. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On 10/10/2005 10:00 PM Patrick Shanahan wrote:
For an evolving discussion, a new subject including "was:" is appropriate and indicated, as I see it.
Im used to it from other lists and groups, so Im not sure what is against it. Apart from big big Monster-Threads with 1000+ messages, but even then: It would be worse to not change the subject in the thread. OJ -- "But you think you're right?" said Harry. "Naturally I do, but as I have already proven to you, I make mistakes like the next man. In fact, being - forgive me - rather cleverer than most men, my mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger." (Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter 6)
On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 09:39 +0200, Martin Sommer wrote:
On Sat, 8 Oct 2005, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
Andrew Pattison escribió:
I am about to download the "evaluation" version of Suse Linux 10.0. What I would like to know is this: are there any restrictions on what I can do with this version, or is it the exact same version as the one you can buy in the shops?
AFAIK there is no restriction at all. naming is very confusing.
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Everything clear now?
It also has much less content than the OSS version of 10.0. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
Martin, On Monday 10 October 2005 00:39, Martin Sommer wrote:
...
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Unbelievable. Why is there so much misinformation on the content of the various releases? Up 'til now, I've been under the distinct impression that the on-line DVD image was identical to the boxed-set DVD. If there's anything I'm inclined to complain about with the 10.0 release, it's the poor publicity and conflicting information allowed to circulate in both the official and unofficial Web sites and forums.
Everything clear now?
I guess. Convergence of the facts would help. So far it's been "everything you know is wrong." ... On a near-daily basis! Randall Schulz
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Martin,
On Monday 10 October 2005 00:39, Martin Sommer wrote:
...
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Unbelievable.
Why is there so much misinformation on the content of the various releases? Up 'til now, I've been under the distinct impression that the on-line DVD image was identical to the boxed-set DVD.
We'll exchange our README.txt on the ftp servers to make it clearer: ------------ Dear visitor of this 10.0 iso directory on ftp.suse.com or a valued mirror, You can find the iso images for the installation in this directory: SUSE-10.0-CD-i386-GM-CD*.iso 5 CDs i386 for installation from CD-R or from an ftp server with mounted iso images. Other network transfer protocols are available, too. Check it out! Content: Fully functional 32-bit version of SUSE Linux 10.0, inclusive useful commercial applications like Adobe Reader, Flashplayer, RealPlayer, SUN Java and more. Identical to the 5 CDs included in the SUSE Linux 10.0 retail box. Contains only 32 bit applications. The amount of software packages is reduced compared to the double layer DVD of the retail box. SUSE-10.0-EvalDVD-i386-GM.iso Same content as 5 CDs listed above, mastered on an installable DVD for more convenience. SUSE-10.0-EvalDVD-x86_64-GM.iso Same packages for x86-64 (AMD64 and EM64T) as on the DVD above. SUSE-10.0-LiveDVD.iso Live DVD, boot from it and enjoy SUSE Linux without any risk. Runs from your DVD drive without changing anything on your hard disk. For additional software, check the openSUSE mirrors, they have a large FTP tree together with the source RPMs. Details can be found at http://www.opensuse.org. regards, ftpadmin@suse.com -- Dr. Martin Sommer Product Manager Consumer Products SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, D-90409 Nürnberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740 530 Fax: +49 (0) 911 740 53 575 Email: martin.sommer@suse.com ----------------------------------------------------------
On Monday 10 October 2005 11:28 am, Martin Sommer wrote:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Randall R Schulz wrote:
Martin,
On Monday 10 October 2005 00:39, Martin Sommer wrote:
...
Let me make it a little clearer. The 5 CDs on the mirrors are the same as the 5 CDs in the retail box. The EvalDVD has also the content of the 5 CDs. Vor convenience, it's mastered as a DVD. The name "Eval" is because it
1. is not the DVD of the box 2. has much less content than the DVD of the box since the boxed DVD has 8.5 GB and the EvalDVD has 3.5 GB.
Unbelievable.
Why is there so much misinformation on the content of the various releases? Up 'til now, I've been under the distinct impression that the on-line DVD image was identical to the boxed-set DVD.
We'll exchange our README.txt on the ftp servers to make it clearer:
------------
And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online! I guess you should have just put up a video/mpeg file, maybe they would have viewed that Martin. ;o) end of line Lee
Hello,
On 10/10/05, BandiPat
And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online!
There are people reading the manuals. Those manuals were very good for people new to linux.
I guess you should have just put up a video/mpeg file, maybe they would have viewed that Martin. ;o)
That's an option :-) -- Damian Mihai Liviu Phone: +40741226993 Yahoo: liviudm_cisco URL: http://liviudm.blogspot.com
BandiPat wrote:
to read a simple, short README.txt file online!
in most ftp server you use dayly, the readme file is irrelevant. so I stopped reading these many years ago. to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!" jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
Monday 10 Oct 2005 22:16 samaye jdd alekhiit:
to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!"
My dad makes it a point to read the readme of all software he installs newly. He learns things that way and potentially avoids problems. Ever since I starting compiling software on Linux, I started reading readme-s too.
Shriramana Sharma wrote:
Monday 10 Oct 2005 22:16 samaye jdd alekhiit:
to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!"
My dad makes it a point to read the readme of all software he installs newly. He learns things that way and potentially avoids problems. Ever since I starting compiling software on Linux, I started reading readme-s too.
it was not matter of software but of ftp server and yes, I very often read the readme, but obviously many don't and it's for these that we need to work after all, _we_ are disturbed by the questions :-), so _we_ need to find a solution (if ever we can find one, not easy) :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 06:46:26PM +0200, jdd wrote:
to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!"
I would go with HIDDEN_INFO_DO_NOT_READ or nekkid_britney_pics houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
houghi wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 06:46:26PM +0200, jdd wrote:
to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!"
I would go with HIDDEN_INFO_DO_NOT_READ or nekkid_britney_pics
houghi "paris hilton.avi" could do :-)
think what you want, I was, my idiot, asking me for many month was was worth about a video of the Hilton hostel in paris, France (I'm french :-). Never heard of the kind little millionaire :-) jdd -- pour m'écrire, aller sur: http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.net http://arvamip.free.fr
On 10/10/2005 07:48 PM houghi wrote:
On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 06:46:26PM +0200, jdd wrote:
to be sure it's read, give it an other name, unusal on ftp, like "Important notice!"
I would go with HIDDEN_INFO_DO_NOT_READ or nekkid_britney_pics
ROTFL. I bet that would work. Didn`t I tell you to do marketing? OJ -- `But he knows your dad was right all along now about Voldemort being back -? `Dumbledore says people find it far easier to forgive others for being wrong than being right,?said Hermione. (Ron and Hermione in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince)
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, BandiPat wrote:
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And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online!
I guess you should have just put up a video/mpeg file, maybe they would have viewed that Martin. ;o)
That would definitely help :) -- Dr. Martin Sommer Product Manager Consumer Products SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, D-90409 Nürnberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740 530 Fax: +49 (0) 911 740 53 575 Email: martin.sommer@suse.com ----------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, BandiPat wrote:
And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online!
I bought the boxed version only for this manual. A "getting started"
Hello, thing can't say anything new to me, but I could read the SuSE books on the way to/from work (2x1 hours a day). And I don't have a laptop to PDF read documentation on the way... Bye, Peter
On Tuesday 11 October 2005 03:48 am, Peter Czanik wrote:
Hello,
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, BandiPat wrote:
And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online!
I bought the boxed version only for this manual. A "getting started" thing can't say anything new to me, but I could read the SuSE books on the way to/from work (2x1 hours a day). And I don't have a laptop to PDF read documentation on the way... Bye, Peter
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Oh sure Peter, for those of us that enjoy the manuals, certainly the boxed version doesn't have enough, but for those that don't even take the time to read a readme.txt file, one was too many! ;-) Lee
Am Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2005 09:39 schrieb Martin Sommer:
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, BandiPat wrote:
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And people wonder why there aren't more manuals in the boxed versions anymore. Nobody would read them anyway, since they don't take the time to read a simple, short README.txt file online! With this new manual, that's true. I'have never seen so much bugs in the german manual. Was it partly translated in the USA??
-- Üdvözlettel -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Marcel Hilzinger
Hi, On Tuesday, 11. October 2005 09:59, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
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With this new manual, that's true. I'have never seen so much bugs in the german manual. Was it partly translated in the USA??
No, in Dublin. We switched from German to English, so the original German text is not under our control anymore. If you want to discuss things around documenation, I would like to suggest to go to the opensuse-doc mailinglist. :) Tom -- Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH >o) Technical Editor Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ Documentation Team 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v http://www.suse.com
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